ISO 9001 News ISO 9001:2015 Amendment 1 Published - Determination of Climate Change Relevance * Poll added May 2024

[Golfman25]

Most auditors would not have the technical background to make such a statement. One company that I worked at used hydrogen furnaces to braze brass assemblies. The emissions from that process is simple H2O.

Rut oh, that doesn't sound good.

 

[Golfman25]

Just had our AS9100 surveillance audit this week, the lead auditor, who lives local, arrives in a Tesla - you see where this is going. We placed CC discussion in management review, had the discussion with result that CC has no relevance on our ability to meet quality objectives. I thought the lead auditor was really stretching when he said that doesn't satisfy the standard - you have heat treating and are warming the planet with your workshop processes. I pulled him back to the standard what it actually says - the discussion got heated for over 30 minutes. In the end he did not write us up, but I fear the relationship has been tarnished.

Next time, short out his Tesla. Then leave for the evening.

 

[Randy]

I thought the lead auditor was really stretching when he said that doesn't satisfy the standard - you have heat treating and are warming the planet with your workshop processes.

He wasn't concerned at all by flatulence from the people working there getting worried, and the massive uncontrolled CO2 emissions of his own vocalizing?

Most auditors would not have the technical background to make such a statement.

Been my point from the git-go and you're right. A vast majority of QMS types especially, have little or no real environmental/climate background (same goes for those folks diving into clause 7.1.4 too deep)....Not that they're bad people but they don't. The mandate was to "DECIDE", nothing more, nothing less, but that .....I'll be nice.........possible bonehead who's probably never driven a rivet in an airframe though he's auditing the stuff..........is making his opinion known on climate change and saying that stupid S--T! My PTSD and multiple concussions would have kicked in about that point.

I gotta add here as an edit.......Mr Wonderful drives a Tesla as his visual "go green" can be demonstrated publicly? Well krap, my car is much GREENER than his (in fact it's BOWLING GREEN), will draw more attention, get 30-35mpg interstate and hit 150mph at the press of my foot with looks of envy from raggedy old middle aged men.

 

[tony s]

Just had our AS9100 surveillance audit this week, the lead auditor, who lives local, arrives in a Tesla - you see where this is going. We placed CC discussion in management review, had the discussion with result that CC has no relevance on our ability to meet quality objectives. I thought the lead auditor was really stretching when he said that doesn't satisfy the standard - you have heat treating and are warming the planet with your workshop processes. I pulled him back to the standard what it actually says - the discussion got heated for over 30 minutes. In the end he did not write us up, but I fear the relationship has been tarnished.

Context of the organization is defined by ISO 9000:2015 as “combination of internal and external issues that can have an effect on an organization’s approach to developing and achieving its objectives”. In the context of QMS, issues that affect quality objectives.

Clause 4.1 of ISO 9001:2015 specifies “external and internal issues that are relevant to its purpose and its strategic direction and that affect its ability to achieve the intended result(s) of its quality management system”. The intent of the statements of both standards pertains to “issues affecting quality” – not the issues affecting the environment.

Auditors who relate climate change to the environmental aspects of organizations that can affect the environment have taken the intent of the QMS standards out of context.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

you have heat treating and are warming the planet with your workshop processes.

If only we needed more anecdotal evidence of how stupid decisions lead to even more stupid outcomes. But, let’s not worry. Next year the new 9001 will save the day. And the world too.

 

[Cari Spears]

We had our AS9100 surveillance audit a couple of weeks ago. We showed the auditor where we addressed climate change in our management review minutes and decided that everything we're currently doing for energy conservation, recycling, storm water pollution prevention, etc. is appropriate to the impact we have on the climate. No problem.

 

[Antonio Vieira]

Nowadays many Organizations use that "technique" of carbon offsetting.
In other words, they pollute at will, but then they have some trees planted and the "problem of CC is solved".
It is scientifically more than proven, that in the first 20 years the respitatory function of trees is clearly superior to photosynthesis. In other words, for carbon reduction there is no advantage for the first 20 years.
Will the auditors take this into account?

 

[Randy]

Will the auditors take this into account?

Quality auditors? Most likely, the vast majority knowing less about carbon offsets, environmental effect and CC than a duck does astrophysics.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Will the auditors take this into account?

What does carbon offset have to do with a QMS?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

What does carbon offset have to do with a QMS?

Let me answer my own question, just like any other technology of carbon sequestration, carbon capture and carbon reuse, absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with the QMS. Unless, of course, you are in the business of developing and marketing such technologies.

People have not understood the assignment of this misguided amendment.