No, it doesn't. Just like having to purchase general liability insurance (or any kind of insurance) does NOT affect an organization's QMS.
ISO 9001 News ISO 9001:2015 Amendment 1 Published - Determination of Climate Change Relevance * Poll added May 2024
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Exactly. Not everything a organization does has to be part of the QMS. The QMS should be focused on managing quality, not every aspect of the organization.
rogerpenna
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That seems to depend entirely on the type of insurance OR regulation.
The need to buy carbon credits might not directly fall under the QMS, but the underlying reasons (e.g., regulatory risks, operational inefficiencies leading to higher emissions) could certainly be relevant to a QMS. If a company is at risk of non-compliance with environmental regulations, this risk could potentially affect product quality, customer satisfaction, or operational continuity—areas that are central to the QMS.
Also, if carbon credits become a strategic necessity due to customer expectations or market positioning, this might indirectly influence quality objectives. Like, for example,, a company that markets itself as environmentally responsible might integrate sustainability into its quality policy, linking carbon credits to its QMS indirectly.
Failure to comply with carbon emission regulations can lead to significant financial penalties or even restrictions on a company's ability to operate. For example, exceeding emissions limits without acquiring sufficient carbon credits could result in fines, increased costs, or, in extreme cases, the suspension of production. This introduces a risk that needs to be managed, which could indirectly affect a company's quality management objectives if, for example, fines or production halts impact the company’s ability to meet customer demands or quality standards.
and then we have
"An organization adopting ISO 9001 needs to demonstrate its ability to conform to the statutory, regulatory, and customer requirements, which are applicable to its products and services within the scope of its quality management system (QMS). Throughout the standard, ISO 9001 defines requirements for an organization to identify the statutory and regulatory (S&R) requirements applicable to its products and services. Organizations should, determine their applicability, define the processes needed to address them and the means to demonstrate consistent ability to meet these requirements."
So, I have difficulty to see how breaking carbon emissions regulations (IF those apply to your industry) that can result in big penalties, is any different from other regulations, and ISO 9001 requireing you to provide evidence you follow the regulations and laws.
As for liability insurance, is it required by some law. Not purchasing it will or will not affect your capacity to meet quality objectives, strategic planning, etc?
It seems to me a company buying a sort of insurance OR carbon credits entirely depends on THAT company, on the legislation it is subject to, etc.
Still there.
Still applicable.
Johnnymo62
Haste Makes Waste
Soon we will be paying to exhale.
Randy
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Sho nuff!
Randy
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Kinda sorta are with cow burps (CO2) & farts (CH4) (11%-15% total global GHG emissions-livestock actually)
According to ISO 9001 Auditing Practices Group Guidance on: Auditing Climate Change issues in ISO 9001:
"Although the text is new, auditors may find that some organizations are already considering and addressing issues related to climate change within the scope of the quality management system (e.g.: energy supplier invoices, stating the percentage of supplied energy coming from renewable sources; claims on carbon credit, on[1]product claims on energy consumption reduction, replacement of raw materials or consideration of eco-design of products to reduce climate change impact, etc.)."
Reading the guidance, particularly the bold statement, seems more applicable to the intended results of an EMS - not QMS.
ISO 9001 in clause 4.1 says "determine external and internal issues that are relevant to its purpose and its strategic direction and that affect its ability to achieve the intended result(s) of its quality management system". The PDCA model illustrate the intended results of the QMS.
ISO 9001 clause 1 Scope provides the more detailed description of the intended results of the QMS (According to Annex SL Appendix 2. Harmonized structure for MSS with guidance for use)
Thus, by looking at the above model and the scope clause of ISO 9001, "When planning for the quality management system... (6.1.1)", organization need to ask a question "Does climate change affect our ability to consistently provide products and services that meet customer and applicable statutory and regulatory requirements and our aim to enhance customer satisfaction?"
The question shouldn't be "Do our products, services, activities, materials and resources for production affect climate change?"
"Although the text is new, auditors may find that some organizations are already considering and addressing issues related to climate change within the scope of the quality management system (e.g.: energy supplier invoices, stating the percentage of supplied energy coming from renewable sources; claims on carbon credit, on[1]product claims on energy consumption reduction, replacement of raw materials or consideration of eco-design of products to reduce climate change impact, etc.)."
Reading the guidance, particularly the bold statement, seems more applicable to the intended results of an EMS - not QMS.
ISO 9001 in clause 4.1 says "determine external and internal issues that are relevant to its purpose and its strategic direction and that affect its ability to achieve the intended result(s) of its quality management system". The PDCA model illustrate the intended results of the QMS.
ISO 9001 clause 1 Scope provides the more detailed description of the intended results of the QMS (According to Annex SL Appendix 2. Harmonized structure for MSS with guidance for use)
Thus, by looking at the above model and the scope clause of ISO 9001, "When planning for the quality management system... (6.1.1)", organization need to ask a question "Does climate change affect our ability to consistently provide products and services that meet customer and applicable statutory and regulatory requirements and our aim to enhance customer satisfaction?"
The question shouldn't be "Do our products, services, activities, materials and resources for production affect climate change?"
Almost every standard I've read includes the provision of "determine the resources needed for these processes and ensure their availability" Resources and resource availability have no sway in the QMS. They must be provided. There is no wiggle room for "Difficult resources" or "Changing resources"
This is not a tail wagging the dog.
This is not a tail wagging the dog.
Randy
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4.1
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The organization shall determine whether climate change is a relevant issue.
4.2
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NOTE Relevant interested parties can have requirements related to climate change.
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Any trade name used in this document is information given for the convenience of users and does not constitute an endorsement.
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This document was prepared by Technical Committee ISO/TC 176, Quality management and quality assurance, Subcommittee SC 2 Quality systems, in accordance with Technical Management Board Resolution 75/2023.
Any feedback or questions on this document should be directed to the user’s national standards body. A complete listing of these bodies can be found at www.iso.org/members.html.
4.1
Add the following sentence at the end of the subclause:
The organization shall determine whether climate change is a relevant issue.
4.2
Add the following note at the end of the subclause:
NOTE Relevant interested parties can have requirements related to climate change.
