ISO 9001:2015 Clause 8.3 - Is it possible to exclude one product but include it in other?

qualprod

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#1
Hi everybody
Please help to clarify this situation.
I have a manufacturing company toward the certification in 9001.
Mainly sells two products, but only in one is applied 8.3.
Is it possible to declare somewhere that one product doesn't apply 8.3, while the other does it?
Both product in different processes are related to the rest of the processes (hr, sales,etc.) But are not related between them.
One product is to manufacture steel supports based on customer drawings (to exclude 8.3)
The other which needs 8.3 is product of rubber supports.
Thanks
 
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Pjservan

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#4
You can clarify in the scope of your QMS that for a particular product line/type you perform design and manufacture while for the other product line/type it is strictly manufacture.
 
#5
Is it possible to declare somewhere that one product doesn't apply 8.3, while the other does it?
Yes! As you will recall, it's called the "scope" and it's usually in the Quality Manual - if the organizations decides to have one as a way to guide its interested parties to the QMS for each of the product types. It will also appear on any CB certification.
 

Marc

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#6
Is it possible to declare somewhere that one product doesn't apply 8.3, while the other does it?
I highly recommend that you communicate with your registrar and discuss your intent to claim such an exclusion.
 

Golfman25

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#7
I suppose it would be simple to identify the 2 different products in a scope somewhere. But what if you add products? I would take a different approach. 8.3 applies to your one product so procedures and such will be part of you QMS. Your other product will just be not applicable to 8.3. If you don't do design, you don't do design -- you can't force design. Any products you add later will just go down the applicable path.
 

John Broomfield

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#8
You could gerrymander the scope statement to exclude the processes responsible for one of the two products.

But what message is that giving the employees included and excluded?

You could be making ISO, certification, your management system or all three seem like a pain in the butt, instead of showing how the system helps employees do better work.
 

John Broomfield

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Super Moderator
#10
My post was meant as a warning to the gerrymandering of scope statements seen by the employees.

But your example does not amount to gerrymandering.

Thanks for the opportunity to make this clear.
 
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