ISO 9001:2015 Clause 8.4.2 - Who Is The "Its" in (a)..The Supplier or Their Supplier?

GStough

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Hello....

I'm writing the report for an audit we just did, and I would like some help in understanding exactly what is meant by "its" in 8.4.2 (a) under Type and Extent of Control in ISO 9001:2015. Does it mean the supplier or their supplier?

Full text reads: "The organization shall: a) ensure that externally provided processes remain within the control of its quality management system..."

So, is it saying that the externally provided processes must remain within control of the external supplier's QMS or within the organization's (supplier) QMS? :confused:

Thanks...
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Marc

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Re: ISO 9001:2015 Clause 8.4.2 - Who Is The "Its" in (a)..The Supplier or Their Suppl

I have always taken it to mean that the organization is still responsible for quality when subcontracting processes such as plating.
That has always been my interpretation as well.
 

mattador78

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Re: ISO 9001:2015 Clause 8.4.2 - Who Is The "Its" in (a)..The Supplier or Their Suppl

I have always taken it to mean that the organization is still responsible for quality when subcontracting processes such as plating.
That's right at the moment we coat work under the remit of AS9100D companies while we go through our accreditation
 

raul1122

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I had a minor on this clause it states; All suppliers are identified on the Approved Supplier List with initial evaluation and re-evaluation data. Older supplier selection records, and current supplier re-evaluation records are not retained so as to be available for verification. Now i started my job here 3 days after the audit, how could i reply to this finding. I feel the corrective action is more difficult since i have no access nor direction to get the mentioned information
 

John Broomfield

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I had a minor on this clause it states; All suppliers are identified on the Approved Supplier List with initial evaluation and re-evaluation data. Older supplier selection records, and current supplier re-evaluation records are not retained so as to be available for verification. Now i started my job here 3 days after the audit, how could i reply to this finding. I feel the corrective action is more difficult since i have no access nor direction to get the mentioned information
Raul,

Talk to Purchasing (and their requisitioners) to find out when they verified that the supplier evaluations were effective. And examine your internal audit records of the purchasing process including the adequacy of the supplier selection criteria and adequacy of the the supplier evaluations.

You should do this with your records of management review too.

Then take a look at your information controls to see when records are destroyed.

Nothing in the standard requires you to keep records especially for the registrar.

John
 

raul1122

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The owner is the purchasing department the sop on this states that suppliers need a supplier evaluation or just the approval of the owner so I think that would cover it?....
 
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