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ISO 9001:2015 Supplier Certification Requirements

#1
Do suppliers to ISO 9000 (2015) companies have to be ISO 9000 approved ?
I am reading 8.4 Control of externally provided processes, products and services and as yet do not see a specific mandate ?
 
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No they don't is the short answer. 8.4.1 states that it's down to the individual organisation to "determine and apply critieria for the evaluation, selection...........based on their ability to provide products and services......."

So as long as you have documented the criteria for evaluation, selection etc. of your suppliers then it's up to you as to whether you've mandated ISO9001:2015 as a requirement.
 
#3
Do suppliers to ISO 9000 (2015) companies have to be ISO 9000 approved ?
I am reading 8.4 Control of externally provided processes, products and services and as yet do not see a specific mandate ?
As Uncle Fester says, the short answer is no. However, there's a number of factors at play regarding WHY you might want suppliers to be ISO 9001 compliant, if not certified. How many suppliers do you have and what do they do for you? Do you have any suppliers (not ISO certified) who have performance problems (product quality and delivery) and do you have any supplier development resources available?
 

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It may not be the proper place to post this item, but...
Do you inform your customers about the way your organization control and monitor the external providers performance?
how
8.4.3 e)
 

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It may not be the proper place to post this item, but...
Do you inform your customers about the way your organization control and monitor the external providers performance?
how
8.4.3 e)
We embed text in our purchase orders with a URL to a website link. On that website directory, we have a page that includes a document with performance monitoring criteria:
Supplier Requirements – Advantec Computer Systems

Some large suppliers of ours will email on a quarterly basis a report with our performance criteria and status.
 

John Predmore

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ISO 9001 does not mandate, but we realized our customer's contract terms and conditions mandated we flow down the requirement to our suppliers to be QMS compliant, if not certified. We wrote a Supplier QMS Exception procedure to explain how we fulfill this customer requirement, for our one supplier who is not certified (it is a long story, but they are not interested and we do not have leverage or a practical option to re-source).
 

Big Jim

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The real question is can the supplier provide you with what you need. It may take a bit more effort on your part to figure that out with sufficient surety. Don't forget that you need to keep a record concerning how you vetted them.
 

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8.4.3 The organization shall communicate to external providers its requirements for:
e)control and monitoring of the external providers’ performance to be applied by the organization

I think the easiest way to fulfill this requirement is to send an email to each supplier describing the items under which they are goind to be evaluated. For example delivery times, quality of products provided, responsiveness to requests...
 

Big Jim

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#9
Read that again more carefully. This hinges on the word "its". AS9100C used the term "as applicable" instead of "its". "Its" applies to the organization's requirements. If you have not determined a need to inform you suppliers about how you evaluate them then it doesn't apply. A clear example of where this would apply is if you provide report cards on their performance. This is basic grammer school English.
 

Antonio Vieira

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In my opinion, and also reading the versions of the standard in Portuguese and French, I still find it clear that the Organization has to inform its suppliers about control and monitoring of the performance of the external supplier to be applied by the organization
 
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