ISO 9001 and ISO 17025 - Measuring tools not in calibration system

greif

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We have several calipers which are not in the calibrations system, used for rough measurements. Is this likely to cause a problem during an ISO 9001 or iSO 17025 audit?
 
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What prevents those calipers from being carried to another location and being used for "less rough" measurements?

Calibration is the easiest thing for a lazy auditor to write a nonconformance against.
 

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If you want to continue to use the uncalibrated calipers be sure they are clearly marked as not calibrated. Make sure your work instructions clearly state that only calibrated tools can be used on acceptance measurements (or whatever terminology your organization uses).

In the 17025 world it is accepted that not everything is calibrated to 17025 - just the items used for 17025 measurements.

ISO 9001 is similar:
When measurement traceability is a requirement, or is considered by the organization to be an essential
part of providing confidence in the validity of measurement results, measuring equipment shall be:
a) calibrated or verified

ISO 9001 or 17025 expect you to know when traceability is required in your processes, and then to use the correct tools.
 

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My statement below is for the ISO 9001 side, I don't know anything about ISO 17025 requirements.

Are the calipers used (in any way) as product acceptance? As an example, we have machinist scales used for material 'stick-out' (how far material is sticking out of a lathe on the first part). This has nothing to do with product acceptance as the machine is going to set and cut everything after automatically. These don't need to be calibrated. However, if the scale was used to 'measure' the length of a part coming off a saw then that would most likely be product acceptance since it is measuring a part. Calipers would fall under the same requirement, are they used for product acceptance at any point, calibrate.
 
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