ISO 9001 Auditing Practices Group - Guidance on Auditing Includes 9001:2015 Material

[Colin]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Thank you for your prompt reply.

I have now tracked down the documents you mentioned and had a read through them which is very informative.

I guess I am looking for any examples of procedures, checklists etc that would be a spring board to get me started. Style and layouts preferred by auditors, how do they feel about flow charts as procedures rather than just text etc.

We are also looking to work towards 14001 as we are working in the water industry. So how do we manage that, do the standards have to be kept separate or can procedures be amalgamated?

Sorry for the long list of questions but I want to get things moving!!

Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Peter

Peter, I would very much encourage you to combine the 9001 and 14001 systems into 1. There are many overlaps and I have always found it easier to integrate the systems from the start rather than trying to bolt them together later.

I have always started with the 9001 system which becomes the 'spine' from which other systems can be supported. It is quite easy to have 1 manual for both standards, develop some common procedures (e.g. doc control, records, audits, etc) and then build the process specific ones bearing in mind the 2 standards. You will probably then have to add a couple of EMS specific ones such as 'aspects & impacts' as they often don't fall in naturally with the process based ones.

By the way, I fully agree with howste - choose a style that suits you and your organisation. By all means look at the options in the threads to appreciate different methods but find one that your people are comfortable with, it is the auditor's job to work with what you choose, not to dictate to you.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Two more papers have been added to the series:

· Audit trail
· Approach to Demonstration of Traceability of Measurement Results

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Peter, I would very much encourage you to combine the 9001 and 14001 systems into 1. There are many overlaps and I have always found it easier to integrate the systems from the start rather than trying to bolt them together later.

I have always started with the 9001 system which becomes the 'spine' from which other systems can be supported. It is quite easy to have 1 manual for both standards, develop some common procedures (e.g. doc control, records, audits, etc) and then build the process specific ones bearing in mind the 2 standards. You will probably then have to add a couple of EMS specific ones such as 'aspects & impacts' as they often don't fall in naturally with the process based ones.

Very sound advice, with which I concur.
Start with 9001 to establish the basics - that way, you focus on important elements of the system that will also be needed in 14001, such as how your orgnisation defines roles, sets objectives, communicates responsibilities, plans and reviews its activities, controls documents suitably and manages records. Then you add on the more specific EMS objectives you want to pursue.

But do it for you and your organisation. Don't aim to find out 'what the auditor might like'. Good auditors will work with any system that the organisation has set up. Lazy/incompetent/average auditors will try to push you into doing things the way they 'like them done'. Avoid that trap at all costs.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

The latest paper in the series:

Deployment of the Expected Outcomes documents

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

The latest paper in the series:

How to deal with Consultants

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Thanks Sidney.

Not one of their finer efforts though. Raises more questions and/or leaves more questions unanswered than it actually answers.

 

[amanbhai]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Can i get this info now? Any suggestion, help is appriciated. Thanks

 

[JaneB]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Can i get this info now? Any suggestion, help is appriciated. Thanks

Can you get what info now? If you're referring to the docs mentioned by Sidney, simply click the links (which he's thoughtfully provided) to access the relevant docs.

 

[Colin]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Hmmm, I must admit to being somewhat underwhelmed by the content of this guidance note but thanks to Sidney for bringing it to our attention.

 

[amanbhai]

Re: ISO offers free-of-charge ISO 9001:2000 'auditing kit'

Some of the links initially provided by Sid are deleted I guess.