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ISO 9001 Implementation Time Frame

Randy

Super Moderator
#11
There needs to be some kind of assessment (test or equivalent), to ensure that the person knows the job. This requirement applies to on-the-job training as well. The nice thing about the CQA (or equivalent, as might be issued by a training company) is that there has been some assessment of skills.
There is and I've been successfully using it for almost 2 decades, the audit itself, the planning, reporting, findings and so on. All those letters behind ones name doesn't necessarily mean they know their job, the individual may just be good at taking a test based on short term memory retention...Like me!
 

Jim Wynne

Super Moderator
#12
There needs to be some kind of assessment (test or equivalent), to ensure that the person knows the job. This requirement applies to on-the-job training as well. The nice thing about the CQA (or equivalent, as might be issued by a training company) is that there has been some assessment of skills.
The CQA exams provide evidence of knowledge, not skill.
 

Bill Levinson

Involved In Discussions
#13
The CQA exams provide evidence of knowledge, not skill.
True, but it is at least a start. I think the bar exam for attorneys, professional engineer exams for engineers, and medical licensing exams for doctors all address knowledge rather than skill (although you have to provide evidence of experience for the latter two) but that is about all an exam can do. Most ASQ exams also require relevant experience.
 

Jim Wynne

Super Moderator
#14
True, but it is at least a start. I think the bar exam for attorneys, professional engineer exams for engineers, and medical licensing exams for doctors all address knowledge rather than skill (although you have to provide evidence of experience for the latter two) but that is about all an exam can do. Most ASQ exams also require relevant experience.
It's all about competence, and over a long career I've encountered far too many ASQ-certified people who were astoundingly incompetent. So much so that I never gave certification any weight at all in hiring decisions.

Be that as it may, we're meandering off topic.
 
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#15
Hi All,

I have been working in QMS development for about 10 years, but am just now making the leap into independent consulting. I've just about finalized a contract with my first potential client. Most of my experience is in 13485, but this initial client is a food manufacturer. They are looking to implement a QMS that is compliant with ISO 9000, but not necessarily looking to get it certified yet.

To finalize the contract, I need to give them the estimated project time frame and billable hours. I've never done an ISO 9000 system before, but based on previous experience with 13485 I think I could get it done in 120 hours over the course of a month. Does that sound overall reasonable to anyone with experience in this type of implementation?

Thanks!
I would never enter a contract like that. Top management is trying to shift responsibility from themselves. How long it takes is based more on management commitment and support than much of anything else. You may end up getting stiffed.
 

Bill Levinson

Involved In Discussions
#16
I would never enter a contract like that. Top management is trying to shift responsibility from themselves. How long it takes is based more on management commitment and support than much of anything else. You may end up getting stiffed.
If top management doesn't really support it, and their only objective is to "get the certificate," it is unlikely to work out very well. If management wants it to improve quality and performance, though, it will work a lot better.
 
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