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ISO 9001 Registration Pros and Cons

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#11
Trying to look out of the box a little more and adding another con, is this company going to be venturing in other fields where there are requirements above and beyond ISO 9001? If the company ever ventures into automotive, aerospace, medical (and I'm sure I missed a couple), they will have to be registered specifically for that or those specs.

There are others at the Cove here whose companies are "multi-functional", that is reaching across several of the disciplines listed above. I'm sure they also have "fun" keeping track of concurrent quality systems.

Wasn't ISO 9000 suppose to be the one and only quality system?
Yes, but the predominant add-on standards, TS-16949, AS-9100, TL-9000, and ISO 13485 all build on ISO. More than 50-70% of the requirements are the same base. So, for example, having ISO 9001 is an excellent springboard to TS-16949. Either one is an excellent springboard to AS-9100. They are different only in industry specifc details, like APQP and aircraft CFRs.
 
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Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#13
ISO 9001 provides a framework for improvement. Improvement makes money and saves money.

So, to summarize the previous posts, implementing ISO carries a fair amount of cost to get it implemented.

Quality is expensive to maintain...

However, if an organization implements an effective, well-designed system, it will improve the organization's activities and ultimately, their profitability and competitive advantages.

But it will only achieve that result if the impleemntation is designed for that result. Some companies go that route. Many of my clients go to that level. And, for them, ISO is a positive.

Unfortunately, more than half the certified companies didn't do that, and for them it is a negative.

Yes, Quality is expensive to maintain...but if done right, it is FREE.

The key is doing it right.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#15
The original question was about REGISTRATION. Not the standard. Not the implementation.

Well, yes, but either way, if you are going to bear the cost of implementing ISO 9001, you will have a significant expense. The additional step and cost of registration is actually a small portion of the total cost.

Doing it poorly will be an expense. Doing it well, adds value, not expense.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#16
The original question was about REGISTRATION. Not the standard. Not the implementation.
Yes. And without starting the evidence-of-value-of-registration discussion again (some of which can been seen in this protracted discussion), I'll offer a tale of two companies from my own experience:

Company number one was a QS-9000 registered firm with which the company I worked for at the time was doing business. I was dispatched to go there and review some quality issues and "walk the process" for a particular part they made for us.

In an initial meeting upon my arrival, the particulars of what I hoped to accomplish were discussed, and it was clear to me that the meeting participants were bright, knowledgeable, and had a firm understanding of the requirements. I had previously reviewed the relevant written documentation, including the quality manual, and was happy with what I saw.

To avoid the appearance of conducting a formal audit, I had decided not write anything down during my trip through the plant. Unfortunately, I quickly began seeing serious issues, and it wasn't long before I realized I wouldn't be able to remember all of them. Tooling that was supposed to identified as to status wasn't; ditto for inspection status of bins of parts on the production floor--some was not identified at all, some was misidentified; there was a real-time SPC system with monitors at all of the machines, but I got three completely different explanations of how it worked from three different individuals, including the quality manager...
In short, almost none of what I had seen in the documentation had actually been implemented on the firing line, and it was unambiguously clear that a credible system was nowhere to be seen. Nonetheless, there was that lovely certificate hanging on the lobby wall.

Company #2 was a large, privately-held firm with multiple manufacturing facilities. Like company #1, my company was doing business with it, only in this case everything was hunky-dory, and my visit was just a getting-to-know-you exercise. The company was not ISO-registered. During the course of a two-day visit I saw the main corporate offices and three of the plants, as well a central lab facility. The most striking thing to me was that in moving from one plant to another, it was impossible to tell that they were separated by, in once case, 100 miles. There was an obvious atmosphere of consistency of purpose and continuity of policies, processes and procedures. In each plant, while I was being guided along, a department manager interrupted us and asked my guide (a salesperson) to make sure that I was brought into his area so he could show me the work being done. Everyone seemed genuinely glad to see me, and proud of what they were doing.

At one point, in a chat with one of the plant managers, I said that I couldn't help but notice that the company wasn't ISO-registered, and asked why that was. "Well," he replied, "we were thinking of doing it, but we have all these different facilities, which would make it a long and expensive process, and in the end we decided that we didn't need to pay to have auditors come in and tell us what we already know, and what our customers already know."
 
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CCConcerned

#18
Pros and Cons of ISO one forgets that the cerfications is the beginning of a process that leads toward continuous improvement.
So before you begin you should ask if the company's culture is ready for such a beginning and that improvement is what they truely are seeking.
Cons are the cost but if a company is after improvements then the pros out weigh all of the cons. Concentrate on the pros and the cons that have been listed should be part of the overall company operating expenses because the ISO program would be integrated into the business plan.
My concern with ISO, the certification is not about improvement but about show.
 
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somerqc

#19
I believe that ISO 9001 registration is just an entry level quality system that allows a company to move forward. Can this be done without registration? Without a doubt, I have done it and it works.

Bottom line - Having registered 2 systems in the last 10 years and spending 5 of those 10 years working for a company that never registered but had one of the best management systems I have ever seen, I wouldn't register a system unless it was needed as a market requirement (re: Labs, Aerospace, Automotive), customer requirement (re: like we do), or company culture dictates.
 
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