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ISO 9001 Standard: Useful to Certify a Soccer Club? Examples...

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IMHO - certification will do nothing for a club. The examples you give have nothing to do with an external certification and I don't believe anyone would sponsor a club because of 'ISO'.....
 
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AndyN,
appreciated your point of view and contibution.
I will continue to search for QM and related documentation for the certification in order to undestand with examples how some soccer club designed it with the help of a consultant...I am very curious...
Thks
IMHO - certification will do nothing for a club. The examples you give have noting to do with an external certification and I don't believe anyone would sponsor a club because of 'ISO'.....
 

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AndyN,
appreciated your point of view and contibution.
I will continue to search for QM and related documentation for the certification in order to undestand with examples how some soccer club designed it with the help of a consultant...I am very curious...
Thks
:topic:The normal protocol to quote and respond to a comment here is to place the quoted comment BEFORE your reply, not after. It is a much more logical way, which allows readers to read the comment you are responding to, before they read your reply.
 

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:topic:The normal protocol to quote and respond to a comment here is to place the quoted comment BEFORE your reply, not after. It is a much more logical way, which allows readers to read the comment you are responding to, before they read your reply.
Thks for your feedback, Vianna.
I will take your advice into account for next posts.:bigwave:
 
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Your post title says 'certify', by which I take to mean, engage a CB - like mine - to do an independent audit and issue a certificate. As I said, why? Would customers choose this club over others, because of the certificate? Are potential customers requiring certification before they visit the club? Are regulatory agencies recognizing certification as a means to comply with their regulations? Does the management of the club see opportunities to run their business better and gain a competitive advantage over other clubs by being certified?

Now, if you are speaking of implementing an ISO 9001 based quality system inside a club, within its restaurant etc., but without certifying it, that's different!

Which are you proposing?
I agree. There is no intrinsic value in 3rd party audits for any organization. If there is, then the value is there for all types of organizations, no?
 
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I agree. There is no intrinsic value in 3rd party audits for any organization. If there is, then the value is there for all types of organizations, no?
No, Jim, I don't believe so. It's not a black and white case and I believe you're not in favor of certification, per se.

In an industry which is subject to heavy amounts of supplier audits, certification can and does help reduce the burden of those audits. In the soccer industry, I rather doubt that the fans, sponsors etc spend even a moment to consider 'supplier quality activities', hence my comment. I don't think any more fans would turn up to watch Manchester United if they flew an "ISO certified" flag.....
 

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No, Jim, I don't believe so. It's not a black and white case and I believe you're not in favor of certification, per se.

In an industry which is subject to heavy amounts of supplier audits, certification can and does help reduce the burden of those audits.
The evidence I've seen, especially here in the Cove but also in my own work, is that certification has not reduced customer audits to any significant extent.

In the soccer industry, I rather doubt that the fans, sponsors etc spend even a moment to consider 'supplier quality activities', hence my comment. I don't think any more fans would turn up to watch Manchester United if they flew an "ISO certified" flag.....
Which is my point--how many certificates do you think there would be if customers didn't require it? There would probably be none, because the number wouldn't support the market for CBs. If there is any value in ISO 9001--and I believe there is--the value is there for soccer clubs just as it is for other businesses, and the value in third-party auditing (having allegedly impartial review) is also there.
 
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The evidence I've seen, especially here in the Cove but also in my own work, is that certification has not reduced customer audits to any significant extent.


Which is my point--how many certificates do you think there would be if customers didn't require it? There would probably be none, because the number wouldn't support the market for CBs. If there is any value in ISO 9001--and I believe there is--the value is there for soccer clubs just as it is for other businesses, and the value in third-party auditing (having allegedly impartial review) is also there.
Working for a CB - in sales, as you probably know - I can vouch that even for our portion of the market there are a significant number of clients who do this for internal reasons, they like the discipline of having an auditor audit them - since they are not burdened by customer audits. In addition, they use to for attracting potential customers who they didn't know and may/may not require it.

As you say, you've seen no significant reduction in customer audits, but is the Cove truly a representative sample.......or just a vociferous few, or are you justifying your opinion by extrapolation??

Perhaps there are lack luster (by auditors or even unaccredited CBs) certifications, where customers have to audit their certified suppliers. There are plenty of organizations who justify why "ISO says" they have to audit suppliers, too, and have incorporated it in their procedures - which, of course they must comply with themselves to maintain a certificate!

I'd prefer to see more data before I jumped to an assumption that certification wasn't beneficial and have some of the attendant issues surfaced and dealt with.
 

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Hi to all,
I have found a famous soccer club that is certified vs ISO 9001: it is Boca Juniors, well known soccer team of Argentina.
I found the info on their official web site:

http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/iso9001

It is written in Spanish, but it is clear enough.
They confirmed the certification vs ISO 9001:2008 in April.
It could be a good study, because I found some aspect that I had suggested in my previous post.
What about?

It could be nice to see Manual and procedures...
thanks for the attention:bigwave:
 
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