ISO 9001 Surveillance Audit Nonconformance - Thermometers not Calibrated

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Chance

Jim & I stand together on this one. It certainly is not clear, from that post, or any other post by the OP, that calibration is needed.

The ONLY thing i see, is that the OP is not willing to say it isn't needed, rather, he dances around the edges.

Until he quits sitting on the fence, there is nothing more we can do to help.
I would stop dancing if the problem is solved. At the end of the day, I have to solve it..how? Easiest way is to have a calibrated one...
 
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I would stop dancing if the problem is solved. At the end of the day, I have to solve it..how? Easiest way is to have a calibrated one...
That may be the easiest one, Chance. But the best one is to actually determine if you have the temperature requirement. :)

Ok.... let's try this....

You have material that you put into the freezer. Someone sells you that material. Does that person have a specification on the material?

They should know what is required.
 
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Chance

That may be the easiest one, Chance. But the best one is to actually determine if you have the temperature requirement. :)

Ok.... let's try this....

You have material that you put into the freezer. Someone sells you that material. Does that person have a specification on the material?

They should know what is required.
Okay, when that material is taken from the cold room, it does not have to have a specification (as far as temperature is concerned). It is like storing corn in a place with temperature of 30 degrees. The purpose of it is to make sure that when planting season comes, the corn will germinate.

That is exactly the same with my situation.

Okay if the corn was in the room for 2 days with temperature outside the range say 10 degrees out, of course it will still germinate...So what if it germinates less, plant again..and double the amount..

Now what can you say? Does it needs calibration of thermometers? For me NO...Does it affect the study results? No. Does it go to the end customer? No, this is in experiment stage of product design...

Brad, I am really grateful with all the help I got here in the Cove..at first I was really hesitant about having a thermometer calibrated with traceability. But, it would probably benefit my company to have accurate readings to avoid delay of experiments outcome if the material don't work as intended due to inaccurate temperatures. It may save company resources if no need to re-do the experiment and avoid doubling the material needed.
 
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Okay, when that material is taken from the cold room, it does not have to have a specification (as far as temperature is concerned). It is like storing corn in a place with temperature of 30 degrees. The purpose of it is to make sure that when planting season comes, the corn will germinate.

That is exactly the same with my situation.

Okay if the corn was in the room for 2 days with temperature outside the range say 10 degrees out, of course it will still germinate...So what if it germinates less, plant again..and double the amount..

Now what can you say? Does it needs calibration of thermometers? For me NO...Does it affect the study results? No. Does it go to the end customer? No, this is in experiment stage of product design...

Brad, I am really grateful with all the help I got here in the Cove..at first I was really hesitant about having a thermometer calibrated with traceability. But, it would probably benefit my company to have accurate readings to avoid delay of experiments outcome if the material don't work as intended due to inaccurate temperatures. It may save company resources if no need to re-do the experiment and avoid doubling the material needed.
Now that.... is a post from a smart quality man! :agree1: I think you have correctly assessed this situation, and you will do well in your future with quality, Chance. :)

If you have any further questions on anything, feel free to post.
 
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Chance

Thanks to the Covers who continuously help the unexperienced yet hungry for knowledge folks (like me) when it comes to the world of quality.
 
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Chance

Just an update, the external auditor accepted my corrective action - buying a calibrated thermometer with traceability. Implementation date started last Nov 2011.

Thanks a lot for all the help I got!
 

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Just an update, the external auditor accepted my corrective action - buying a calibrated thermometer with traceability. Implementation date started last Nov 2011.

Thanks a lot for all the help I got!
Thank you for checking in and letting us know how it went. :agree1:
 
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