ISO Auditor Training - What online training is actually value added?

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thekellyg

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Hello all!
I have hands on auditing experience but no actual certification. I'm considering online training to get the piece of paper as some business' consider that as or more important than experience. Are there any recommendations as to what online training is actually value added? Seems to be quite a range in pricing etc so I'm coming to the Cove for some guidance. :read:

Thanks in advance!

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Randy

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Re: ISO auditor training

There is no requirement for training, the requirement is that an auditor be competent which could be verified "by other means" than training. Training does not make one competent and a piece of paper is just that, a piece of paper with gobbelty goop written on it.

If you can demonstrate your ability to perform an audit that meets the requirements of whatever audit procedure is in place and provides whatever the defined results are to be, then go for it and blow off the training....
 
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Inquiringmind

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Re: ISO auditor training

I needed the same thing a couple of years ago. Took the CALISO Lead Auditor Training course. Cert reads "Has satisfactorily fullfilled the 22-hours (2.2 CEUs) online training course: ISO 13485:2003 Lead Auditor Training. Took care of several client requirements until I was able to complete the ASQ Certified Biomedical Auditor certification.
 

Stijloor

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Re: ISO auditor training

There is no requirement for training, the requirement is that an auditor be competent which could be verified "by other means" than training. Training does not make one competent and a piece of paper is just that, a piece of paper with gobbelty goop written on it.

If you can demonstrate your ability to perform an audit that meets the requirements of whatever audit procedure is in place and provides whatever the defined results are to be, then go for it and blow off the training....
Were you a trainer at one time?? ;)
 
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Inquiringmind

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I agree with Randy that the paper doesn't prove anything but you sat through the course and passed the quizzes. However, some clients need/want the paper to show some level of diligence. Less than $300 and a day and it took care of it.
 
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thekellyg

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I agree wholeheartedly that the paper in and of itself means nothing except you endured the training! I only have an Associates Degree and have battled my whole career with HR requirements for jobs. I have been promoted into positions for which I didn't even come close to the written requirements for education because I take care of business and have a great deal of experience and at least some common sense. I have had more than one direct report that posssessed PHD's. I'm closer to 60 years old than 50 now and plan to spend the rest of my working career in Quality so want to have every advantage.

I have just started a new job and am tasked with taking a privately owned plastic extrusion company started in 1958 that currently has NO written procedures, processes or anything else to ISO certification. An audit today would reveal 0 adherence to ISO standards. Not really pertinent to my certification desires but I will be training our in-house auditors and feel the piece of paper will add at least perceived validity to my position.

Thanks for the feedback!
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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There are of course multiple variables based upon need that can range from no formal training to accredited courses and advanced education on top of hoops jumped through and perfect teeth....

I took it for granted you were referencing auditing as an internal auditor for a simple 9001 based QMS and that's the answer I gave, anything beyond that will be based upon the specific need and desire of the organization being served, so there is no single one correct answer to your original question.
 
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Believe it or not, on a recent consulting visit I read a CB auditor's nonconformance where the auditee was written up for the internal auditor not having completed a formal training program and having a certificate.

Of course, it was a bogus nonconformance.
 
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lokeky1

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Whether you need certification or not really depends on the type of work you do. If you are already hired by an organization without the certificate, I guess it does not matter. If you want to be a full time auditor, then certification and audit log is a must to demonstrate competency.

However I would suggest to anyone to attend some training from time to time to update their knowledge and the latest thinking about the subject. Picking up a competency certificate (not certificate of attendance) is a bonus.

Cheers

Loke
 
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