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ISO seems not to be aware that ILO is not very happy with ISO's work on OHS

Sidney Vianna

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ISO has recently issued a press release concerning the World Day for Safety and Health at Work, and you can check it out @ ISO solutions for a safe and healthy future at work . In the press release, ISO makes reference to the International Labour Organization (ILO), but no mention whatsoever that a 2013 Agreement between ILO and ISO was rescinded by the former, as I had previously reported. In this press release by ILO concerning the termination of the agreement, we read:

The implementation of the 2013 Agreement over the past four years has fallen short of satisfying the Agreement’s aims, such as avoiding that ISO standards conflict with international labour standards and that the ILO receive meaningful advance notice of ISO proposals that could address ILO issues. The ILO and the ISO have disagreed as to whether development of ISO standards required treating ILS “as the source of reference in case of conflict” (Agreement, paragraph 4) or whether the ISO simply needed to consider but not to defer to ILS. When ILS does not form the floor of private standards on subjects relevant to the work of the ILO, the private standards risk leaving workers unprotected despite the tripartite consensus in the form of ILS concluded and given effect for decades.
 
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Randy

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Odd but understandable, my issue has been that the ILO H&S standard doesn't actually require that anything be done, everything is and has been a "should"...Unless something's changed that I'm not aware of
 

Henria

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Hello !

Randy this aspect ("shall / should" in standards) is absolutely not the fundamental problem evoked in the quote given by Sidney (re-read again ; the problem is that certain ISO 45001 requirements are below ILO requirements despite ILO-ISO agreement).

But incidentally, on this point ("shall / should") we have already discussed in the past, can you tell me what kind of "authority" a private standardization body has on a CEO to tell him what he "shall" to do as a legislation can do ? Is ISO for example an organization that commands our companies?

Best regards.
 
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Randy

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Hello !

Randy this aspect ("shall / should" in standards) is absolutely not the fundamental problem evoked in the quote given by Sidney (re-read again ; the problem is that certain ISO 45001 requirements are below ILO requirements despite ILO-ISO agreement).

But incidentally, on this point ("shall / should") we have already discussed in the past, can you tell me what kind of "authority" a private standardization body has on a CEO to tell him what he "shall" to do as a legislation can do ? Is ISO for example an organization that commands our companies?

Best regards.
Well it seems that you don't quite understand the concept of "voluntary" when it comes to an organizations choice of requirements to meet...The CEO "volunteers" the organization.

Tell me how an international, non-governmental organization has the "authority" to tell me how to run my privately owned company
 

Henria

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Hello !

Randy I know that MS standards are "voluntary" (not "mandatory"). So if a CEO chooses a MS standard he will do it voluntarily even if this standard says "should"... This is precisely because an international, non-governmental organization (as ISO) has "no authority" to tell you how to run your privately owned company that this organization can't tell what you "shall" to do, but rather advise what you "should" to do. While legislation has "authority" to say what you "shall" to do (you knows legislations ares "mandatory" not "voluntary"). But finally "Shall or should" is not important because the CEO really applies the requirements that he wants to the bottom.

I confirm "shall / should" is unrelated to the issue at hand in this thread quoted by Sidney opening this discussion (problem between ISO and ILO).

Best regards.
 
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