ISO/TS 16949 Lead Auditor Training - Suppliers of

[Andrews]

Lead Auditor course

Where can I find a list of trainers,who are authorised to conduct ISO/TS 16949 Lead auditor training programme and whether they are authorised by ISO?

 

[Howard Atkins]

Don't forget IRCA they are no less important than RAB.
http://www.irca.org/

 

[Atul Khandekar]

Andrews,
In India, you may try contacting the following agencies for ISO/TS certified trainers:
BVQI
LRQA
Omnex
NCQM - National Center for Quality management
TUV Rheinland
TQMI - TQM International

 

[Manoj Mathur]

I feel It is like that.
For ISO 9001:2000 or ISO 14001, there are many training courses available and they shall give you a certificate for enabling Lead auditor. But In this TS 16949 Auditorship (Lead Auditor) is different.
I have attented and successfully compleated 5 Days Lead Auditor Course approved by RAB but still for Lead Auditor, I need to appear and pass exams conducted by AIAG. This is quite expensive exams and usually not organised as frequent as other lead auditor programs. Criteria is different.

 

[Andrews]

Mr . Mathur wrote:
"I have attented and successfully compleated 5 Days Lead Auditor Course approved by RAB but still for Lead Auditor, I need to appear and pass exams conducted by AIAG."
How expensive?

 

[howste]

Like Manoj said, the ISO/TS 16969 Lead Auditor training courses available to the public only fulfill the training requirements for ISO 9001:2000 auditor certification (this is a class I teach). In order to audit for registrars you need to attend and pass the ISO/TS 16949:2002 Certification Body Auditor Certification class. To attend you need to meet the qualification requirements specified in the Rules for Certification Bodies and be sponsored by a registrar. The training costs US$2500 and lasts four days.

 

[Marc]

Way Too High

Originally posted by howste
Like Manoj said, the ISO/TS 16969 Lead Auditor training courses available to the public only fulfill the training requirements for ISO 9001:2000 auditor certification (this is a class I teach). In order to audit for registrars you need to attend and pass the ISO/TS 16949:2002 Certification Body Auditor Certification class. To attend you need to meet the qualification requirements specified in the Rules for Certification Bodies and be sponsored by a registrar. The training costs US$2500 and lasts four days.

What are the details of this course? What does it entitle the attendee to or certify the attendee for? Just a 'pre-requisite' to be able to do an audit for a registrar, eh? What, specifically, requires this course? Can one do the TS-16949:2002 Certification Body Auditor Certification course and not do the Lead Auditor course (I'm guessing not)?

Is the same true for QS-9000?

Please - we need many more details.

 

[Sam]

AIAG offers a 4 1/2 day course titled "Supplier Auditor Certification". It uses the process methodology suggested by the IATF. There is a 1/2 hour 25 question test on TS2 and a presentation of a process audit in the last day.
The registrar course is the same, except the written test is 100 questions.

 

[howste]

Re: Way Too High

Originally posted by Marc
What are the details of this course? What does it entitle the attendee to or certify the attendee for? Just a 'pre-requisite' to be able to do an audit for a registrar, eh? What, specifically, requires this course? Can one do the TS-16949:2002 Certification Body Auditor Certification course and not do the Lead Auditor course (I'm guessing not)?

Is the same true for QS-9000?

Please - we need many more details.

The book ISO/TS 16949:2002 Automotive Certification Scheme - Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition contains "The Rules" that certification bodies have to live with to be recognized by the IATF to certify organizations. Annex 2 in that document specifies the requirements for auditor qualification.

Here is the complete list of qualifications specified in the document:

1) ISO 9001:2000 Auditor Qualification
- qualified according to ISO 10011-Part 2 and/or ISO 19011 and the relevant accreditation body rul
- competency in:
- ISO quality standards
- audit management
- team work techniques and presentation
- interview techniques

2) Automotive Industry specific skills
- Automotive core tools knowledge and competence

3) Minimum work experience
Related to ISO 9001:2000 auditing experience:
At least 3 (three) ISO 9001:2000 third party audits at a minimum of ten (10) audit days, with 1 of these audits as a lead auditor.
AND in addition, either of the conditions A or B, below:
A) For new automotive auditors
3 years full time appropriate practical experience (excluding training) in the automotive industry (OEM, Tier 1, Tier 2) or industries with equivalent requirements in chemical, electrical or metallic commodities including 2 years dedicated to Quality Assurance activities. This experience must have been completed in the last six (6) years.
B) For existing automotive auditors
at least 15 third party system audits in the automotive sector to one of the automotive quality system standards (AVSQ 94, EAQF 94, QS 9000, VDA 6.1, ISO/TS 16949:1999) in the last three years at a minimum of 45 audit days, with two of these audits as a lead auditor.
The local IATF oversight may issue waivers during the 1st year after launch of ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification

4) IATF Sanctioned Automotive Training for ISO/TS 16949:2002
- Auditor training is only open to an auditor sponsored by an IATF contracted certification body, accreditation body witness auditor or IATF nominees.
- To apply to attend an IATF training session, the sponsoring certification body shall provide to the IATF for each candidate a file containing a copy of their existing qualifications including records demonstrating audit and work experience.
- Only candidates with an accepted file will be allowed to attend the training and qualification course.
- Note: abbreviated IATF sanctioned automotive training courses are allowed for auditors previously qualified to ISO/TS 16949:1999.
- All auditors must successfully complete the common IATF ISO/TS 16949:2002 sanctioned auditor examination, irrespective of existing qualification.
- An auditor qualification certificate will be valid for a period of three years. Auditor recertification is required within this period.
- Failure to conduct a minimum of three (3) ISO/TS 16949:2002 audits with a minimum total of six (6) audit days, per year, will result in withdrawal of the qualification certificate.

I think that this answers most of your questions. I couldn't find the details of the course itself on AIAG's website, but here's a link to the supplier version Sam mentioned above. The content is very similar.

I have heard that the IATF is trying to limit the number of registrars who can issue certificates to ISO/TS 16949. At this time there are only 45. They are also being very careful to ensure that only competent, qualified auditors are allowed to audit. As you can see, the qualifications just to get into the class are pretty tough for most people to meet. I have also heard from those who have taken the course that there is roughly a 30% pass rate on the exam. I hope to take the class & exam sometime in the next month or two. Wish me luck!