ISO/TS 16949 Second Edition - The Latest Scoop!

[Arte]

TS/16949 second edition????????

Does someone know if the second edition of TS was issue?, Where I can get it?
Thank you.

 

[Roger Eastin]

Sorry, Arte. It looks like it won't be issued until March 2002. However, if we can get some of our "Cove" folks to show us their DRAFT copy of the 2000 version of TS, then we might get something going! We've had 3 or 4 individuals state that they have a copy of the draft, but no one has coughed it up yet!! Any takers?

 

[Marc]

I received the following e-mail:

> I have just qualified as a TS16949 Assessor 1st addition.
> The second adition , modified to reflect ISO9000:2000 will
> be with us in March 2002.

I don't think this is a secret. I don't know if the person just wanted to be anonymous to everyone but me or clicked the wrong button. It was received from the 'Report this message' link which would normally be used by someone wanting to report 'abuse', vulgarity, etc. in a post.

Ummm -- second edition draft is out - it came 'around' last spring and is dated 29 March 2001.

Unfortunately, a few years back things were a bit 'looser' here copyright wise. Both the ISO folks and the AIAG were not happy puppy dogs when they came to visit (or someone reported the postings, which is most likely) - most standards were, at one time, posted here (I used to have them posted in the old pdf_files directory) - and both the ISO folks and the AIAG let me know about their displeasure in no uncertain terms. Alas, the internet is changing and the Cove Forums are now well known. This said, I am in no position to open the site to a possible lawsuit.

Maybe someone will be nice and and e-mail you a copy...

 

[Roger Eastin]

I wonder how one obtains a draft copy of a standard? Does a customer "float" someone a copy? Is there a standard list of those who automatically receive a copy? I've seen several folks who have written in this forum that they have a copy of the draft 2nd edition TS, but I've not seen one myself.

 

[Marc]

Second Edition Draft of TS 16949

I received personal mail from one person here who has a copy - said they got it from their registrar! The specific registrar was not named. So... Get on the phone to your registrar, and if they say no or something, well... Not much else I can do.

 

[Woraphot]

TS16949

My company has certified QS-9000 and the certificate will be expired in July 2002. In this situation, we are considering for more benefit whether we shall maintain QS-9000 or change to TS16949 second edition. Any comment would be appreciate.

Thanks, :thedeal:

 

[Marc]

FYI - Final Draft for Review Circulating?

It is my understanding from a registrar (who would not send me a copy, of course) that they are in possession of a 'Final Comment Draft' which is circulating for 'comments' which is newer than the 'Second' draft issued May 2001 (which I think everyone has a copy of by now...

 

[db]

TS16949 Final Draft

I have in my hands the IATF Final Draft, dated July 26. I used a contact with a registrar to obtain it. There are, what I feel to be some rather disturbing things. For example: 7.4.1.2 Supplier quality management system development requires vendors to be third party registered to ISO 9001:2000 by December 31st, 2003. This is similar to the sanctioned interpretation to QS.

Marc, I don’t know if this is the right thread for this post. If not, I’m sure you will place it where it best fits.

Dave B

 

[Roger Eastin]

This is getting almost humorous! I know that some must be counting on going to TS16949 just to get away their subcontractors having to be 3rd party registered. I wonder if this requirement will stay in the updated standard. If it does, then the wording is stronger than the Sanctioned Interpretations. With this wording, subcontractors have no alternative than to be 3rd party registered.

 

[db]

Final Draft

Let me begin by saying that I am not involved with the development of 16949! I'm just the messenger. I have received several messages wanting a copy. I went through a registrar to get my copy. I do not know of any place where they are readily available.

There has been some question as to what the draft actually requires. Please note that I have heard that the standard rarely is different from the Final Draft. With that in mind, here is the actual wording from 7.4.1.2 Supplier quality management system development:
“As a first step, suppliers to the organization shall be third party registered to ISO 9001:2000 by an accredited third party certification body…

Note 1 Compliance to ISO 9001:2000 is required by 15 December 2003
Note 2 The customer may mandate alternative requirements…”


Dave B