ISO/TS16949 (to become IATF 16949:2016) alignment to ISO 9001:2015

[Marc]

It has been reported that the link in Sidney's post doesn't work. It does for me, but to make it simple (and since eventually the link will go dead) here is the file.
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[Helmut Jilling]

Well that sucks. Now you have to buy two books and then flip back and forth? These guys know how to mess up a one car parade.

I agree, but I have a suggestion. Many of my clients are certified to several standards anyway (14000, 9001, TS, AS, etc.). I encourage you to write a comprehensive company manual, that encapsulates all the requirements from the various standards, and states them in clear, plain language, without all the nonsense phrases in the new standards. Then, you simply have your managers use the manual in place of the standards.... After all, if they are going to make it a money making enterprise, we can fight back...

 

[Sidney Vianna]

which, in my understanding means that, the IATF 16949:2016 will be a document formatted as (an example) the AQAP 2110 document.

So, differently from (as an example) AS9100, which contains the ISO 9001 text and includes it's augmentations, apparently, the IATF 16949 document will just reference the ISO 9001 clauses and subclauses. That will force the adopters of the automotive standard to, mandatorily, obtain a copy of the ISO 9001:2015 standard, as a starting point. A small detail but as we approach 60,000 organizations certified to ISO/TS 16949 worldwide, it is worth noticing that, in my estimation.

According to the material made available by the SMMT, my original assessment of the press release is correct. The IATF 16949:2016 document will not contain the text of ISO 9001:2015. See below

 

[Sidney Vianna]

From the IATF website:

The updated Rules for achieving and maintaining IATF recognition, 5th Edition, dated 1st November 2016, is available for purchase from the IATF National Associations. Rules 5th edition is effective 1st January 2017. Rules 5th is to be used 1st January 2017 regardless of whether a client/supplier is certified to ISO/TS 16949:2009 or the new IATF 16949:2016 automotive quality management system standard.

 

[Carol F.]

Having 2 separate standards to work with is a challenge when your trying to do a gap analysis. At least it was for my company. We decided to combine the ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949 requirements into a comprehensive worksheet. We are completing our gap analysis using this worksheet and have it available globally to all folks so they can contribute on their area of expertise.

Let me explain a little about this spreadsheet. Each worksheet is geared toward the new format of the standards. The first page is a Gap summary that is formulated to capture all your identified gaps in the next pages. Page 2 is the ISO Correlation from 2008 to 2015. I added the new definitions for easy access. There is no gap assessment to be done on the Scope page.

The Context page is where the fun starts! All the new requirements are listed with the white cells indicating ISO and the beige cells indicating IATF req. Column C states if the req. is New, Modified or Carryover. These are based on some Webinar classes and books that have been purchased. Column G-AP are my companies locations (Mfg. and Remote). These will be different for you. There are drop down choices for Yes (gap), No (no gap), NA (not appl.) and ND (not developed or not certified yet). Our 1st pass was just to identify if we believe there is a gap or not. I have since added another column next to the site for them to add either the Evidence of conformity (as of today) or add the Action we need to take to conform.

I have only added these columns to the Context worksheet and need to continue on all of the requirements pages. Still a work in progress. I hope you find it useful.

 

[Golfman25]

That looks awesome. Thanks.

 

[xfngrs]

AIAG came out with their own gap analysis last week.
http://go.aiag.org/iatf-16949-gap-analysis-tool

 

[bhartigambhir]

Friends,

I just want to know why this time IATF 16949 :2016 is not an ISO standard.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I just want to know why this time IATF 16949 :2016 is not an ISO standard.

I believe the official reason is the ability for the IATF to revise the IATF 16949 document in a much more agile manner, compared to the ISO protocol for revisions to a standard.

But there might be additional rea$on$ as well.

 

[Qualityguy101]

Having 2 separate standards to work with is a challenge when your trying to do a gap analysis. At least it was for my company. We decided to combine the ISO 9001:2015 and IATF 16949 requirements into a comprehensive worksheet. We are completing our gap analysis using this worksheet and have it available globally to all folks so they can contribute on their area of expertise.

Let me explain a little about this spreadsheet. Each worksheet is geared toward the new format of the standards. The first page is a Gap summary that is formulated to capture all your identified gaps in the next pages. Page 2 is the ISO Correlation from 2008 to 2015. I added the new definitions for easy access. There is no gap assessment to be done on the Scope page.

The Context page is where the fun starts! All the new requirements are listed with the white cells indicating ISO and the beige cells indicating IATF req. Column C states if the req. is New, Modified or Carryover. These are based on some Webinar classes and books that have been purchased. Column G-AP are my companies locations (Mfg. and Remote). These will be different for you. There are drop down choices for Yes (gap), No (no gap), NA (not appl.) and ND (not developed or not certified yet). Our 1st pass was just to identify if we believe there is a gap or not. I have since added another column next to the site for them to add either the Evidence of conformity (as of today) or add the Action we need to take to conform.

I have only added these columns to the Context worksheet and need to continue on all of the requirements pages. Still a work in progress. I hope you find it useful.

Hi

I noticed that the file you attached is being used as Quality Manual content by a IATF consultant.