ISO9001 - Measurement Equipment records

Katherine47

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Regarding measuring equipment the standard states:

8.5.1
ensuring that documented information for monitoring and measurement activity for product acceptance includes:
− criteria for acceptance and rejection;
− where in the sequence verification operations are to be performed;
− measurement results to be retained (at a minimum an indication of acceptance or rejection);
− any specific monitoring and measurement equipment required and instructions associated with their use;

I am very green with Quality Assurance, and work for a very small company who has promoted me into sole QA role so please excuse if this is a silly question.

My company has previously calibrated all measuring equipment in house at 6 monthly intervals IAW OEM recommendations (great). the results of this calibration are in a register detailing the equipment identification, the person who conducted the calibration, the results of the calibration, the date, extra notes etc. There is also an attached procedure which details how to calibrate and the acceptable tolerances.
One person is convinced that we need to further support our calibration with a printed certificate stating the type of calibration conducted, and the signature of the boss (who did not actually perform the calibration), tool ID and date of calibration for each tool. I'm not joking when I say that is all the information on this certificate

This seems not only like overkill to me, but redundant information. The certificate sits in a binder, never to be looked at again, there is no new information on it. Everything is already accounted for in the Procedure and Register.

Have I missed something here? I want to stop doing this as it's a waste of time and paper. This is a weird hill that this person is willing to die on, but as I am the only person hired to do this role, I want to be able to show this person that this practice is not necessary.
 
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Let's get one thing clear, if you performed the calibration in-house to an in-house procedure you do not need to generate a specific Certificate that is signed to confirm that the calibration took place.
"Documented information" is just that, a documented record of some form, so a dated, signed/initialled "Master chart" with the internal procedure number and revision status used to perform the calibration (signed/initialled by the person who carried out the calibration) is "documented information". If the procedure requires anything else to be recorded, eg ambient temperature, details of any equipment used to perform the calibration, these also need to be recorded in an appropriate manner (maybe a hard-copy of the procedure with spaces for the information to be entered, space for date and signature etc).
 
Morning Katherine,

AS ChrisM has stated, there's no requirement for this at all & in my opinion is creating more unnecessary steps.
If your colleague can propose an actual benefit to doing this that is relevant to your organisation then sure, go ahead & discuss it with them.

It sounds like you're fulfilling the calibration requirements.
 
Maybe the other person came from a\ different company where calibration was always performed by an outside company, and calibration certificates were the norm. One way to push back and educate the other person at the same time is ask them to show you, chapter and verse, in the applicable quality standard, customer requirement or internal procedure, where a certificate is mandatory.
 
In the past I had a manager who thought exactly the same way. No real reason for it except 'that's the way we USED to do it at XYZ company'. Took me a while to convince him that a calibration certificate was meaningless; as long as you had a record of the calibration being performed and the results, then you didn't need a separate certificate.
 
Unlike the others I do nothing but 3rd party audits, you've been given pretty good advice, so here's my take...........Don't change nuthin!
What you do is exactly what 100's of others do every day of every year. Keep good records, keep good control, and go get lunch when it's time.
 
Thanks everyone! It's nice to know I'm understanding the standard correctly and can eliminate this extra step. It's going to be a fun conversation trying to explain this to this person though!
 
Unlike the others I do nothing but 3rd party audits, you've been given pretty good advice, so here's my take...........Don't change nuthin!
What you do is exactly what 100's of others do every day of every year. Keep good records, keep good control, and go get lunch when it's time.

Thanks Randy. To clarify, are you suggesting I keep up the certificates or cut back on the extra paperwork step?
 
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