Karma (Reputation), Chat Rooms and Some Other Contentious Chat

[Marc]

Hey Claes,

I've seen several of these:

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 4:
Invalid SQL: SELECT userid FROM usergroupleader WHERE userid =
mysql error: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '' at line 1
mysql error number: 1064
Date: Friday 11th of July 2003 11:38:43 PM
Script: http :// elsmar.com /Forums/modcp /index.php? do=nav
Referer:
Username: Claes Gefvenberg

When I try http ://elsmar.com /Forums/modcp /index.php it works fine but with the do=nav I get the frame on the left but no center screen.

I can't understand why you can't see the thumbnails. Thumbnails ARE rendered as .pnt files.

Since the move has completed, have you gone back and physically removed related cookies and erased your cache files?

Is anyone else having this problem?

Claes, what OS are you using?

 

[Marc]

Claes,

Never mind. Found the database error problem fix at:

Resolved Bugs - Super mod control panel problem with beta4

I'll fix it later today.

 

[energy]

Neutral

No - no comment. Take a look at the post/red dot in question if you have a minute sometime.

Is the grey dot, "Middle of the road"?

 

[Marc]

I'm still investigating how this all fits together. I noticed the gray dot as well but haven't found anything which says what it is.

I added a picture of the reputation 'settings key'.

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Yahooo. It works again....

I'll fix it later today.

Finally... Everything seems to be back to normal. I also did a bit of reinstalling and cookie killing over here. Anyway, it all works like a charm now. Looks like I'm back in business again.

Now do you see why the IT folks want me as a beta tester all the time?
Anything they come up with, I seem to be able to break by just looking at it sideways. .

Btw: I use a dual setup: Win 98 and Win XP in the same machine.

/Claes

 

[Greg B]

Grey is Respect

Is the grey dot, "Middle of the road"?

Energy,

Surely the grey spot you have is for the high respect that an elder (grey) statesman like yourself has aspired to.

Greg B

 

[Greg B]

Two weird things you are experiencing are the last 2:

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period?

Reputation User Spread
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again?

Just take a look and as I said I'm open to suggestions.

I guess I could allow folks to hide their 'Reputation' but I - well, I'm tempted to keep it forced enabled. If I could enable it to either fully include or exclude for each individual user (if you turn yours off you can't give or receive 'Karma'.

Marc,

My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO.

Greg B

 

[energy]

Time to put this rating thing in perspective.

Marc,
My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO.
Greg B

Greg, Nothing personal...I had to follow somebody.

When the idea was presented in the form of a Poll by a young man from across the Atlantic to see who was the “2002” poster of the Year, I really believe it was anticipated that members more intellectually attuned to the Quality Profession would walk away with the Lion’s share of the votes cast. 2002 was a contentious time with severe bickering back and forth between “us” here and “them” over there. Ready to pick up the cudgel and defend the common man against the egotistical egg heads preaching from on high, I went into battle using several methods to get my point across. Some, I admit, designed solely to ridicule the tag team opponents. To me, it was justified because it was a battle of wits and who’s to say what wits are. For some reason, one even the Administrator of these forums ever really understood (I think) nor me, “energy” started to gain in the meager vote numbers. As the number of votes were accumulating in that unexpected direction, much was made of the contributions of others and names mentioned to remind the members who really deserved the votes. Personally, I voted for “Others”, because there were members not even listed that I thought should have my vote. But, the poll wasn’t mine and I didn’t select the candidates. The poll continues today. Every once in awhile, someone else votes. The numbers remain proportionately stable.

So, we now have a system that allows members the option of giving red and green dots to other members. Thanks db. That “test” red dot made me lock myself in my room with the door locked and the shades drawn, all weekend.

This use of the feature has been encouraged to, more or less, produce a clear cut Champion of Posts with the smarts, credentials and whatever other respectful quality we may be looking for. This is, of course, to justify bestowing the Elsmar Post Scepter on the deserving member in some future determination by Management.

There have been posts indicating concerns of abuse by members who may have an electronic axe to grind against other members, warnings from the Administrator to act like big kids and not to use the feature vindictively (paraphrase). All kinds of questions as to how it works. Me, too!

For those of you concerned how you look here in the Cove, don’t fret. Look around you. The news worthy events of 2003, the deaths and births of family members, your employment situation and support of your families, all your personal triumphs and tragedies are the events that should really mean something to you. Your performance in dealing with these situations, is the true measure of what you are. Not colored dots.

As Marc has alluded to, have fun with the rating feature. Don’t get all lathered up because of some rating scheme. Don’t be afraid to post because somebody may “dot” you purple. Most important of all: stay true to yourself, no matter what. Like the impromptu Poll results for 2003, so what? Who cares? In other words, “Dot This”.

One more suggestion, especially for the “newbees”, use the Private message or e-mail features to contact those members that you would like to. While it is just an “electronic” relationship, they are very enjoyable. My regular contacts you can count on one hand, but they mean more to me than any amount of colored dots they have. In fact, a few of these contacts would probably accumulate more red dots than green. Means absolutely nothing. Okay, time to come out of my room.

 

[Mike S.]

I went to that post and I see a green dot. But I remember it now. It was when I first tried the thing out, I think. At the time I was thinking I was agreeing with you. Did I put in a comment?

I don't know if I can change that or not. Sorry.

I do agree flow charts are only 1 tool of many.

No -- you left no comment. And after I went back to look closer at the "why" I got a red dot, I saw it was on a post you later agreed with me on, so I was confused.

No matter. Ain't no big thing. If I get a red dot it mainly means to me that either a personal/political opinion is challenged -- which I would expect from time to time, or that someone disagrees strongly with an answer/opinion I gave on a technical/quality related question, which would give me pause and make me ask myself if I should reconsider my answer because I don't want to go around all my life making the same mistake (if it was wrong). I won't go running to Mommy, counselling, or the bottle as a result of a red dot. As Energy said very well, don't take it too seriously, there are MANY things more important. If I could have, I'd gave him a green dot on that post, but alas I apparently have to spread more dots around before I can congratulate Energy again. Sorry, guy! Hope you don't take it too hard!

 

[Marc]

Marc,

My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO.

Greg B

I reduced it to 7 - meeting you half way. I do like the idea of people not being able to continually click on one or two people, if you catch my drift. I'd like people to look around at a number of people who are helping with good posts.

I enabled the option for each user to 'Hide' their rating in their user options. I have not found a way to link that to (in my opinion a good idea) not letting someone use the feature at all.

I did change the wording. It now says "I Agree" and "I Disagree" which may help dampen the harshness of the previous "I Approve" and I Disapprove". It changes the meaning a bit and may help.

Not yet sure what the gray boxes thing is yet. I'll try to find out this week.