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db

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MarilynJ6354 said:
We currently do not identify it except for a sign that says "Cut off stored here". It isn't good. I asked how they know what it is and they said they know from training and that it is inspected before selling.
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Is there a requirement for the product to be labeled? 7.5.3 requires identification of the product and the inspection status. It appears that you currently do both.

The critical question is; "Does your system work?" If so, then you should be okay. One other thing to consider is, if you are going to use training as a means, you might want to investigate the 6.2 requirements.
 
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Bob_M

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It sounds like your system MAY be working, but it also sounds like there is a some time wasted re-inspecting the "pile" so they can be properly identified and shipped to the secondary customer. How hard would it be to develop/use a SPECIAL cut-off tagging system that simply lists type, gage, color etc, that would reduce the time to re-inspect them before they are sold. Non Production Example: Our tooling department has about 100 sheet of different shim stock that varies by the 0.001's. Rather than sorting thru the pile every time, they "cut-off" sheet is MARKED with its size after use so they can be quickly sort/found with measuring 100 sheets to find the right one.

Also the mixing sounds risky because the re-sorting and re-inspecting is left up to people who "KNOW" what they material is because they are "TRAINED". What happens when you have a brand NEW employee that needs to find a SPECIFIC material in that pile, but none of the "trained" veteran employees are around to help him? Train is great, but there is a reason IDENTIFICATION is required and a good idea.

BUT if your system is working, and the resources to "improve" it out way the risks, it may not be worth it... *shrug*
 
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Bob_M said:
It sounds like your system MAY be working, but it also sounds like there is a some time wasted re-inspecting the "pile" so they can be properly identified and shipped to the secondary customer. How hard would it be to develop/use a SPECIAL cut-off tagging system that simply lists type, gage, color etc, that would reduce the time to re-inspect them before they are sold. Non Production Example: Our tooling department has about 100 sheet of different shim stock that varies by the 0.001's. Rather than sorting thru the pile every time, they "cut-off" sheet is MARKED with its size after use so they can be quickly sort/found with measuring 100 sheets to find the right one.

Also the mixing sounds risky because the re-sorting and re-inspecting is left up to people who "KNOW" what they material is because they are "TRAINED". What happens when you have a brand NEW employee that needs to find a SPECIFIC material in that pile, but none of the "trained" veteran employees are around to help him? Train is great, but there is a reason IDENTIFICATION is required and a good idea.

BUT if your system is working, and the resources to "improve" it out way the risks, it may not be worth it... *shrug*
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I agree. It sounds like Marilyn's company has a process that works for them when it comes to identifications and handling...but what about continual improvement?

I've seen a few posts talking about wasted time. I'd suggest, Marilyn, that a team be formed to look at ways to save time. The re-inspection is just a bottle-neck in your process. If cut-offs were placed in a bin/rack/shelf with the proper identification for gage/colour/type, not only would that improve your identification process, but material could be more easily located when necessary. A proper storage system will also help with housekeeping, which in turn, boosts morale. It doesn't happen over-night and it requires a lot of discipline to maintain such a system, but over time it does become a way of doing business.

You mentioned that people were trained, Marilyn. What happens if they leave? What if was to start there (let's say I was hired on my limited experience, but experience nonetheless, in the plastics industry)...how would I know what the plastic was? Colour, I can probably handle...thankfully, I didn't skip school the day colours were taught to us! :vfunny: But how would I know about type/gage?

Look at the potential cost savings by having a proper identification and shelving system! Imagine I'm new and somone wants an 8"x10" piece cut from blue polycarbonate. So off I go to the cut-off bin and behold there is a piece of blue plastic 15"x20"...perfect for me to cut my required 8"x10" piece. How do I know if it polycarbonate? There could be an application for this required 8"x10" polycarbonate and if I use the wrong plastic, stuff may happen and I will have one upset Customer.

Proper identification and good storage will not only improve your process, it makes training new employees easier, housekeeping is better, complaints are fewer because there are fewer mistakes, and you save money in the long run. And a good storage system doesn't have to cost a lot of money...there are lots of options out there for you!
 
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little__cee

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Inventory?

I'm new here to our steel service center company but I THINK what we do is enter our "drops" (someone else called them "shorts") into the computer as inventory. Each one is assigned to a rack number so that you can punch it up in the computer and go straight to that rack number and find your piece and then remove it from inventory OR modify its dimensions.

So we use the same system we use for "full" pieces for the "drops".

I hope that makes sense.
 
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Katydid

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I totally agree with RCBeyette:

We have alot of cut off refractory material in our facility. When I first started working here, they all went to the same storage area, and boy it was a mess. We had multiple thicknesses, different materials in multiple grades, and of course, different cut dimensions. Our products are used in aluminum foundries so their properties are very important for safety reasons. After cleaning other departments, and a few personnel changes, the warehouse finally saw the value of knowing what was in inventory.

We decided to sort the material twice, first it is assigned a location in the warehouse by material and grade, and second the location in the warehouse is segregated with dividers so we can group by thickness. Most of our cut off material does show in our inventory management database under the parent part number, but since it is in the designated cut-off location, we know that all material there is not in whole sheets and a review of actual sizes may be required to know the exact dimensional availability.

So far so good, no customer issues, and when we have small projects, anyone who can read the requirements of the job can find their own material without the trained eyes.
 
RoxaneB

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little__cee said:
I'm new here to our steel service center company but I THINK what we do is enter our "drops" (someone else called them "shorts") into the computer as inventory. Each one is assigned to a rack number so that you can punch it up in the computer and go straight to that rack number and find your piece and then remove it from inventory OR modify its dimensions.

So we use the same system we use for "full" pieces for the "drops".

I hope that makes sense.
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It does to me, little_cee! :) If one of our Customers (let's say your company ;) ) wants a length that we do not roll, we will saw cut it and store the shorts in an area identified on our warehouse map. The information on this product is maintained in the computer system so that our Sales people can clearly see what we have available for shipment.
 
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Jay Sturgeon

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Originally Posted by MarilynJ6354
We currently do not identify it except for a sign that says "Cut off stored here". It isn't good. I asked how they know what it is and they said they know from training and that it is inspected before selling.
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Is there a requirement for the product to be labeled? 7.5.3 requires identification of the product and the inspection status. It appears that you currently do both.

The critical question is; "Does your system work?" If so, then you should be okay. One other thing to consider is, if you are going to use training as a means, you might want to investigate the 6.2 requirements.

Without getting lengthly as I have to dive back into PPAP lala land. I agree with db. Keep it simple. Keep it identified. Keep it visiblly seperated and you should be fine.

Good Luck

Jay
 
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