Layout inspection content - Auditor said we should do an annual audit also

[Isabel Arroyo]

Dear all,

We assemble modules for the automotive industry. This week we had an internal audit and the auditor insisted that our layout inspection, which is a measurement of our product, is not enough. He said we should do an annual audit considering not only the dimensional part but also the correctness of the parts assembled and of the torques applied.

What do you think about this? As far as I know, layout inspection is only related to dimensional inspection, am I right?

 

[Jim Wynne]

As far as I know, layout inspection is only related to dimensional inspection, am I right?

It's the customer who decides what's required. Generally, the automotive "annual layout" is a duplication of the dimensional report submitted in the PPAP package. "Dimensional" is something of a misnomer, because it's generally expected that all drawing specifications--not just dimensional specifications--will be verified and reported.

 

[howste]

"Layouts" that I have submitted have always been required to address every requirement, dimension, note, BOM, etc. on the drawing or specification.

 

[ISOPete]

We submit PPAPs throughout the year for customers. Annually we audit these submission packets for acceptance and proper completion.
Pete

 

[Wes Bucey]

I concur with all of above.
The customer's requirements INCLUDE things like torque, material hardness and strength, color, material designation, function in an assembly, not merely dimensional accuracy.

Examples:
If you have a block of aluminum or a block of alloy steel with identical dimensions, they are not identical.

If you have an automobile with wheel lugs hand-tightened, it may not be as safe as one which has them tightened with a torque wrench to a specific measurement.

The supplier must give customer a feeling of confidence all details are covered. The documentation for this is an audit wherein a person (who may be an in-house auditor) independent from the process tracks and documents all the details which may be contained in procedure or work instruction.

Whether this is called an audit, PPAP, or "ishkabibble" is immaterial, only the confirmation is important.

 

[ISOPete]

And yet Wes manages to utterly astound with his mastery of the English language "ishkabibble"?????????
Pete

 

[Wes Bucey]

And yet Wes manages to utterly astound with his mastery of the English language "ishkabibble"?????????
Pete

https://www.wordcentral.com/byod/174267.html
Google the word for lots of fun!
I recall it from a radio character back in the 40's

 

[Howard Atkins]

I concur with all of above.
The customer's requirements INCLUDE things like torque, material hardness and strength, color, material designation, function in an assembly, not merely dimensional accuracy.

From the standard
8.2.4.1 Layout inspection and functional testing
A layout inspection and a functional verification to applicable customer engineering material and performance standards shall be performed for each product as specified in the control plans. Results shall be available for customer review.

NOTE Layout inspection is the complete measurement of all product dimensions shown on the design records.

This includes all characteristics on the drawing and referenced specs.


The note is curious as it says less than the standard, but the note is for guidance only

as to the other issue

I recall it from a radio character back in the 40's

It has memories for me as well but I think it is from the Goon show in the fifties which was aired in the States.
I tried searching but could not find the reference.
Wes could this be the show?
Maybe not 3000 years but still knowledgeable

 

[Wes Bucey]

Ishkabibble was the stage name of one of the members of Kay Kyser's band (1930's and 40's) Here is a clip of an item about the band:

Merwyn Bogue (Ishkabibble), a featured comic, was also a talented trumpeter

As my dad used to say, "If I had known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself." The only part of me that still works well is my memory (No "old timer's" yet.)

 

[Jim Howe]

layout inspection

Dear all,

We assemble modules for the automotive industry. This week we had an internal audit and the auditor insisted that our layout inspection, which is a measurement of our product, is not enough. He said we should do an annual audit considering not only the dimensional part but also the correctness of the parts assembled and of the torques applied.

What do you think about this? As far as I know, layout inspection is only related to dimensional inspection, am I right?

In my world Layout Inspection is a verification of all dimensions on the drawing. If the customer want's more than a layout it must be specified in the contract, purchase order, or SOW (Statement of Work). As long as it is paid for who cares. Makes a case for perfoming Contract Reviews.

Wes, In my memory I always associated ishkabibble with Jimmy Duarante! Thanks for clarifying!