Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principles of 5s

Coury Ferguson

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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

I am just reading this thread, and I am wondering after a couple of years, if somebody was successfully teaching 5S to kids. I think teaching them to be organized in the way of how to organize, will be helpful for their lifes. But, if there is no chance of success, then I just have to eliminate the 5S idea on my head for implementing this on my home.

Just as a comment for those who laugh about office 5S, I labeled the stuffs at my desk since 2 years ago, and it worked very well for me: I can know when somebody took my tape, or something from my desk, I can know always where are the things I need most, and instead of having product samples, papers, reports, etc. stacking here, my desk is completely clean. Let me post a picture of it.
That picture sure doesn't reflect the condition of my office :lol:
 
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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

I am just reading this thread, and I am wondering after a couple of years, if somebody was successfully teaching 5S to kids. I think teaching them to be organized in the way of how to organize, will be helpful for their lifes. But, if there is no chance of success, then I just have to eliminate the 5S idea on my head for implementing this on my home.

Just as a comment for those who laugh about office 5S, I labeled the stuffs at my desk since 2 years ago, and it worked very well for me: I can know when somebody took my tape, or something from my desk, I can know always where are the things I need most, and instead of having product samples, papers, reports, etc. stacking here, my desk is completely clean. Let me post a picture of it.

Looks like no work gets done there.
 
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somerqc

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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

That's is what I was thinking Steven!

Scott -

I feel your pain. I have a 3.5 year old daughter. She doesn't believe that Cinderella or any of the other Disney princesses had to clean their own room!
Why? Because the Grand Duke, or Dwarves, or whatever cleans it for her!

I will second their ability to remove EVERY toy from the toy chest (in our case a shelving unit w/ bins) but not realize that they need to be put away.

Here's a tip that has worked for us - we have started to move the toys to her room as she had gotten older (also manages to get us another 30-60 minutes of sleep on the weekends!). It has reduced the clutter in the family room AND she somehow has figured out how to put her toys back when they are in her room.......:notme:

My current phrase is "That kid is too smart for MY own good!"
 
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zancky

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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

Just as a comment for those who laugh about office 5S, I labeled the stuffs at my desk since 2 years ago, and it worked very well for me: I can know when somebody took my tape, or something from my desk, I can know always where are the things I need most, and instead of having product samples, papers, reports, etc. stacking here, my desk is completely clean. Let me post a picture of it.
1) Sorry but Office 5S is offensive to me. It could damage my brain.
2) your office is like mine the first day I started to work. It lasted only one hour to get a natural minimum level of entropy(=the scientific word for mess)
3) I can know when somebody took my tape, or something from my desk, I can know always where are the things I need most too but I don't post a picture cause my papers/samples started on one desk and extend to some near desks up to a near office desk.
4) nevertheless Your desk would be very appreciated by all my collegues, my wife, my boss

:caution:But beware all
The third laws of themodynamic state that entropy will always increase: you can not reduce entropy. Even if you find the entropy has been reduced in one place/system the whole system will increase the entropy. Therefore If I reduce the entropy of my desk I have to increase the entropy somewhere else by an amount higher then the original desk entropy. Therefore as the super-system is my desk+waste basket+ me, I scare I can increase my entropy (brain confusion) or waste basket entropy (scrap papers documents etc):biglaugh:
 

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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

My neighbor's house is spotless.
And my wife is jealous of that.
They have no "stuff" to clutter the house - just nice furniture, tastefully arranged.

Of course one of the kids is a Junior in HS and the other is a sophomore in college.

So I've been single handedly supporting the economy by going on a buying binge for storage and organization stuff for the kitchen and play room - bins from Ikea, outdoor storage to get outdoor toys out of the house, bill/mail organizers, etc.

But it's an impossible battle comparing houshold with a (almost) 6 year old and 2.5 year old to one with HS and college age kids.

She doesn't want to hear that argument though.

*sigh*
 
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Laura M

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When my children were small, and I was stressing over the 'condition' of the house, I read in a 'family' magazine that a perfectly clean house, indicates that the kids aren't being 'stimulated.' The writer indicated she'd rather see crayons and coloring books on the kitchen table with artwork on the fridge, and toys on the floor, rather than a house with nothing out of order. I probably took that a little too far :mg: but none the less, it was my 'excuse.' Now I have 2 in college and one left at home. While it's a little easier, I still have my scrapbooking, home office, oh - and 2 shedding dogs, that doesn't let me have the neat as a pin house. Oh well. Keep us posted on how the storage project works out!
 
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somerqc

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Scott,

I don't have a 6 year old but all of my friends have given up on trying to keep a household with small children clean all of time.

NOBODY has that much energy! My daughter has 4 play areas in the house - still manages to keep each area just clean enough that we don't lose our minds.
 
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zancky

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Hi vallesj,
may be my previous answer looks too offensive, it was not my intention.
Anyone must be free to work as they like. If You work better with 5S principles it is perfect.
IMHO I can understand 5S application to production line working in 3 shifts. I would like it will happen into my production!, but for a designer or any person who needs creativity, inspiration, fantasy, imagination, intuition etc make no sense to impose useless constrains and after ask for training in "lateral thinking" and so on.
Once one customer showed us 5s application to his office. On all the desks they draw white squares where to put the PC monitor, the keyboard, the mouse, the pencil etc, so all the desks will look the same!
I spend most of my time at work, may be most of us too, so my desk must be comfortable to me not to anybody else otherwise it will only be my company desk!
I may try to apply problem solve disciplines as well as Zen principles, "lateral thinking", mathematical models or something else in order to solve a problem. I wont to have a "open" mind and 5S seems to me just a constrain.


btw. for anybody with the hope that with older children will be easier. My children create more mess now (youngest is 16 years old) then when they were younger.
(the word create has been chosen to reflect the objectiveness that the mess can invade and cover an area 50 times larger the sum of the area of the single used object)
 

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Re: Lean Projects for my home - Teaching my family the principals of 5s

When my children were small, and I was stressing over the 'condition' of the house, I read in a 'family' magazine that a perfectly clean house, indicates that the kids aren't being 'stimulated.' The writer indicated she'd rather see crayons and coloring books on the kitchen table with artwork on the fridge, and toys on the floor, rather than a house with nothing out of order. I probably took that a little too far :mg: but none the less, it was my 'excuse.' Now I have 2 in college and one left at home. While it's a little easier, I still have my scrapbooking, home office, oh - and 2 shedding dogs, that doesn't let me have the neat as a pin house. Oh well. Keep us posted on how the storage project works out!
Since my Son left for College the middle of August and it is only my 15 yr. old daughter with me at home we have noticed:

No more socks, shirts, shoes, cleats and packbags laying around.
The usageage of bowls, spoons and various other eating utensilies has remarkably declined.
Towel washing and folding time for me has dramatically dropped. We also seem to be able to keep toilet paper around longer then before.

Labor day weekend when I took Son back to College and helped him carry some more things to his dorm room, I found all the above items laying around in his dorm room (for the exception of the TP of course) and I was happily delighted to know, I was not a bad Parent/Housekeeper all these years when my house was in a disarray. :D
 
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Laura M

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Still have one boy at home and wouldn't trade any of it for anything. Less cleats, seems like the same number of dishes! I have 'boycotted' when they wondered why there weren't any dishes in the cupboard. Like I'm the only one that could see them in the sink! With 3 boys, I realized early on, I couldn't do it all. They've all done laundry since about age 12. Doesn't mean the house is 5S, but I also let go of the stress of making it so! We keep up but don't stress over the occasional CHAOS day (Can't Have Anyone Over Syndrome). If you want to come over and see me, come anytime. If you want to see my house - call ahead!
 
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