Interesting Topic Legal compliance as part of ISO 45001 accredited certification. Major OSHA penalties in the USA.

Sidney Vianna

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Not only certification bodies, but also accreditation bodies. If we had a transparency portal to keep track of audit results, I can almost guarantee that the overwhelming majority of CB auditors have never written a major nonconformity. And, I know for a fact that some CB policies make it basically impossible for the auditors to categorize a NC as a major.
 

Jen Kirley

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I can only speak for those I know first hand. The CB's procedures I have worked to were specific as to when and how a certificate would be revoked, and none of this was included in those requirements. The procedures were clear about what constituted a Major. I have written several, but was very careful when doing so. Repeated corrective action failure could have something to do with requirements of interested parties, but a certificate withdrawal would not have been for nonconformity to 4.2; it would have been about 10.2.
 

Sidney Vianna

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I have already reported this, many years ago. During many years, I was in a position to screen and hire third party auditors. Over the years, I have probably interviewed 90-105 auditor candidates; many of them were already working as a CB auditor and one of the questions I would always ask these people how many major NC's had they issued working for their current employer. Interestingly, the large majority of them, but with a special emphasis, those coming from a very large CB that used to like to brag about their size, would tell me they had never written a major. With some probing questions, I could establish the CB internal policies made it almost impossible for the auditor to their job.
 

Randy

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Interesting, not too long ago I wrote multiple majors to a major multi-site client for some severe regulatory (ENV & OHS) problems and failure to follow their own ENV/OHS procedures placing the certification at risk and the letter was sent and received. (1st time I'd been tossed out of a facility, quite fun.) Bottom line and after some changes internally at that location, some culture corrections, the Majors got fixed, I received an apology from their higher corporate and have visited other locations and certification renewed. Contrary to a previous poster, not all OHS auditors lack competency in OHS compliance, some of us (like a few folks here) have multiple decades in ENV & OHS in both compliance and conformance which may not be the case across "the Pond".
 
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Hello !

Yes, the MS certification market is certainly for something in this difficulty to formulate some nonconformities compromising to obtain certification at the end of certification audits. In a way certification is a "product" to be delivered to the "customer" who buys it... So even if some auditors not only have competences to audit the MS according to the standard but have also competences to really audit compliance with legal relevant requirements (If he has the mission and the time !), the certification of an MS is not conditioned by this real legal confomity. On the other hand public authorities (who have nothing to "sell") have all the latitude authority and power to identify the nonconformities of a company to the legal requirements which are applicable to it ...

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