Losing your ISO Certification if you Lose Your AS9100 Certification

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natecsss

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Once you become AS9100 Certified and also receive your ISO Certification, if you lose your AS9100 Certification do you automatically lose your ISO Certification as well?
 
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mguilbert

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I think we may need more info.

1) is this due to an AS audit or company choice?

Either way I believe they are individual certs, even though there is some overlap. I know you can have ISO without AS. I do not know if you can AS without ISO.
 

Michael_M

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I believe the answer depends on 'how' you have the certifications. AS9100 includes ISO9001 as part of the certification since AS9100 just adds additional requirements on top of the ISO requirements (the specification is a copy of ISO with additional requirements in bold). If you got your certification as AS9100 and this gave you ISO then I believe you would lose it as well. If however, you got AS9100 and then got certification in ISO (or ISO first then AS) and the ISO is still within the certification time then they are independent of each other.

From what (little) I know, most people get AS9100 and this includes ISO. If this is the case, then the two are really inseparable. However, this does not stop you from getting ISO certification if you choose to drop the AS9100 requirements.
 
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natecsss

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Let me give some more info. We are already ISO Certified and have been for some time. We are in the planning and discovery stages of seeking an AS9100 Certification. We know if we choose to drop AS we can and still keep our ISO Cert. We just weren't sure if the certifying body took the AS would that automatically disqualify our ISO cert.
 

DannyK

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If you keep your ISO certification process separate ( separate audits & certificate) then you would not lose your ISO certification.
 

Michael_M

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Let me give some more info. We are already ISO Certified and have been for some time. We are in the planning and discovery stages of seeking an AS9100 Certification. We know if we choose to drop AS we can and still keep our ISO Cert. We just weren't sure if the certifying body took the AS would that automatically disqualify our ISO cert.
This is a personal opinion and please take it as such.

If you get AS9100 I would not think you would want to keep a separate ISO9001. As you probably have learned the AS9100 standard is an exact copy of ISO9001 with additional requirements added in bold (no wording changes to the original ISO9001). If you get AS9100, it (should) will include the ISO9001.

We have our stage 1 audit in October this year and all the paperwork I have says I will get certification in "AS9100C:2009/ISO9001:2008". To me, keeping a separate ISO certification is redundant and will cost extra time and money. Both require re-audits (surveillance audit) once a year so the certifications will both need to be kept up.

Again, this is a personal opinion and your company must make the decisions it needs to make based on the market you work within.
 
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natecsss

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That makes a lot of sense Michael. Why pay the extra to basically hold two of the same certifications? Thanks for the input.
 
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Gerry L

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This makes total sense. In my previous company we had ISO prior to registering for AS9100. Once the ISO expired we continued on with AS9100 as our standard and this encompassed ISO 9001. There is no need or benefit to spending the extra money and time maintaining separate registrations.
 
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