LPAs (Layered Process Audits) and TS 16949 Clause 8.2.2.2 - Quick Question

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
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Dear Sir,

Besides recording on the control plan, do we still need to use Turtle Diagram and record some more on the diagram to meet TS requirement for manufacturing audit?:thanks::thanx:
There is no requirement to use a turtle diagram in any part of your system. That is a common tool used by many, but optional. Personally, I like it as part of the documented system, but I do fill it in as an audit tool.
 
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There is no requirement to use a turtle diagram in any part of your system. That is a common tool used by many, but optional. Personally, I like it as part of the documented system, but I do fill it in as an audit tool.
Dear Sir,

Do you also use it for Product Audit?
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#13
Dear Sir,

Do you also use it for Product Audit?
not really. does not fit very well.

For Product Audits, I would use the production and inspection records for the product lot I am auditing.

For Manufacturing Process Audit, I would use the control plan that applies to the line you are auditing.

The turtles I would use at the system level audits only.
 
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