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Re: Just do it!
FG,
Count the "I"'s.
Did your Registrar audit anybody but you or anything without you there to explain it or to guide them? That flies in the face of what Registration to ISO is supposed to be. As Randy has so humorously posted, I paid the price because I was not going to do the work that other Managers were tasked to complete. Purchasing Manager was responsible for Purchasing, Engineering Manager responsible for Engineering. A mistake? Absolutely, if fear of loss of employment is foremost in your mind. What the heck, an auditor wouldn't know the difference, would they? Obviously not. All of our Managers were given all the necessary information, generic examples and plenty of coaching. Nada. True the CEO blamed me, but where was my Top manager's commitment and yours and the understanding of what the standard required of them? True you got the certification and a job. But before you say "Just do it", circumstances may be a little different for others. Your statement "They wouldn't budge, so I did it" isn't something to be proud of considering the requirements of the standard, IMHO. But, you're right, you still have a job.
Sorry FG, but I just had to express my sorry opinion. We go back a ways but what's good for some geese isn't always good for all Ganders.

Fire Girl said:
What to do? I did it anyway. They had tried for 3 years to get certified, had hired consultants the whole nine yards. Nothing. I came in, worked my magic certifed in 3 months. I made everything very simple.
Kind of ballsy but if I know I'm right I don't mind sticking my neck out. I also had to pick and choose my battles. When they simply wouldn't budge but I knew it had to be done, I just did it anyway and figured they couldn't really give me slack if it worked out.
I'm still here and now have certified them to ISO 9000:2000. I guess I did ok.
FG
What to do? I did it anyway. They had tried for 3 years to get certified, had hired consultants the whole nine yards. Nothing. I came in, worked my magic certifed in 3 months. I made everything very simple.
Kind of ballsy but if I know I'm right I don't mind sticking my neck out. I also had to pick and choose my battles. When they simply wouldn't budge but I knew it had to be done, I just did it anyway and figured they couldn't really give me slack if it worked out.
I'm still here and now have certified them to ISO 9000:2000. I guess I did ok.
FG
Count the "I"'s.
Did your Registrar audit anybody but you or anything without you there to explain it or to guide them? That flies in the face of what Registration to ISO is supposed to be. As Randy has so humorously posted, I paid the price because I was not going to do the work that other Managers were tasked to complete. Purchasing Manager was responsible for Purchasing, Engineering Manager responsible for Engineering. A mistake? Absolutely, if fear of loss of employment is foremost in your mind. What the heck, an auditor wouldn't know the difference, would they? Obviously not. All of our Managers were given all the necessary information, generic examples and plenty of coaching. Nada. True the CEO blamed me, but where was my Top manager's commitment and yours and the understanding of what the standard required of them? True you got the certification and a job. But before you say "Just do it", circumstances may be a little different for others. Your statement "They wouldn't budge, so I did it" isn't something to be proud of considering the requirements of the standard, IMHO. But, you're right, you still have a job.

It made no sense to me to "do it all", even if I could. Maybe I'm wrong, but I assumed that a good Auditor would sense that in a heartbeat. Particularly when others were asked to explain why they were doing what they were doing. I once said I would pay handsomely just to get Registered. But, that meant we would at least have the basics in place and that everybody would know the program. As Fire Girl said, nothing over the top. Simple. FG was able to pull it off and has every reason to be proud of the accomplishment. My point was, we shouldn't all be expected to do it all or alone. It's not legal