Management Representative as Lead Auditor within a Company

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Greggc44

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From a standards point of view it is not acceptale for the MR to be the lead auditor within a company , as this would be a direct conflict with regards to the auditinig of areas within their own portfoli.ie QMS
 
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From a standards point of view it is not acceptable for the MR to be the lead auditor within a company , as this would be a direct conflict with regards to the auditing of areas within their own portfolio.ie QMS
I can't agree at all. As long as the person doesn't audit their own work, it's a good idea, IMHO - and nothing to do with the standard - that the MR be an auditor. Let's not forget, a 'lead auditor' isn't a requirement and that in many smaller organizations, it is the MR who does a large proportion of the audits. Auditing your own work isn't the same as being responsible for the maintenance of the system...
 
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Jason PCSwitches

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As long as the individual has "organizational freedom", "unrestricted access to top management" & authority "to resolve quality management issues" there is no problem. They would need an additional auditor(s) to audit management rep. functions/process(s). These auditors would more than likely be managed by the individual (who would also manage the I.A. program) and that should take care of the member of management requirement.
 
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Snowman1

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I have to agree with the majority on this. Having audited for a Registrar we NEVER questioned their selection of Lead Auditors as long as their not auditing their DIRECT responsibility and they have the appropriate qualifications/records. If you question Bias etc, just review audits they conducted and go the "effectiveness" route.
 
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Ted Schmitt

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I am MR for our organization and also one of the lead auditors also. We have two other LA and a few auditors....either of them can audit management processes without any conflict of interests...
 
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Sorin

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The auditor should not audit himself.
mmmmm...I have an issue with that statement...it should read (IMO):

The auditor should not audit his work.

Assume I am QA Manger and I am in charge of preparing the internal audits: scheduling auditors, preparing (if used) checklists, etc.
That mean (again IMO) that I cannot audit the procedure (if there is one) that detail how to prepare the audits BUT...I can audit how the audits are performed.

Another example would be a Level III (NDT) that is preparing techniques and approving results of NDT. He cannot audit the procedure detailing the techniques and the process approval but he can audit the (NDT) process if (o/c) he's not directly involved EVEN if he's the one supervising.
 
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