Management Review Inputs (Process Performance)

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Please clarify what the auditor stated about - "written up for not covering the TS specific requirements in our management review..." Did he clarify that? If not, I would ask him for clarification. That is not a requirement in cl 5.6. - 5.6.3.
Agreed. If you cannot get clarification before the stage 2, I'd suggest you postpone the audit until you receive clarification, and, ask your CB for another auditor!

Please don't go into this audit without a clear and confident understanding of what you are going to get. Imprecise and, possibly, biased findings like this will become a burden for you later on.
 
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#12
Thanks for the replies folks, especially Bill. If every single key process were reviewed the meeting would last a week - your take on it is what I wanted to hear.

I'll leave everyone to debate Benji02's issue now.

Regards,

Mick
 

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Thanks for the replies folks, especially Bill. If every single key process were reviewed the meeting would last a week - your take on it is what I wanted to hear.

I'll leave everyone to debate Benji02's issue now.

Regards,

Mick
Hi Migre,
let's take into account that in the management review, at certain schedule, top management should review the items as per ISO standard not at operative level , in fact for that purpose there are weekly meetings or day by day meeting in an organization.
I agree with you, otherwise it will tale one week and more.
In some organization the mgmt review is held out of the organization's rooms, so that the top mgmt can be more focused a less distracted ...:bigwave:
 
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Thank you very much for your help. The info you sent me seems to make it quite a bit clearer for me. I do have on more question about this. When I had my pre-audit the auditor looked at a prevoius management review meeting and made the coment that we mixed inputs and outputs together. Was he jusb being that way or does every input discussed have to have a output as a response and does it have to be in a separate column? I am getting the feeling he was (for a lack of better terms) just being that way.
Also, we are a very, very small manufacturer of injection molded parts. My boss does not even have a business plan written. It was also brought up in the pre-audit that we needed to develope our business plan to incorporate TS requirements. What are we required to show an auditor and what do you think will satisfy him?
 
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Migre

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Indeed qusys - thanks for that.

As ever, when I post a question of this nature on here, it's looking for confirmation and getting that nice warm feeling inside :)o) when someone else says what I want to hear. Thankfully, in this thread, Bill (and now you) did that for me. :yes:
 
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Thank you very much for your help. The info you sent me seems to make it quite a bit clearer for me. I do have on more question about this. When I had my pre-audit the auditor looked at a previous management review meeting and made the comment that we mixed inputs and outputs together. Was he just being that way or does every input discussed have to have a output as a response and does it have to be in a separate column? I am getting the feeling he was (for a lack of better terms) just being that way.
Also, we are a very, very small manufacturer of injection molded parts. My boss does not even have a business plan written. It was also brought up in the pre-audit that we needed to develop our business plan to incorporate TS requirements. What are we required to show an auditor and what do you think will satisfy him?
I think you should get clarification here. Asking us is to second guess the auditor and cause (you) confusion. "Throw away" comments like this could mean something important or just indicate that your auditor just makes off the wall comments. The idea that each input has an output is incorrect. The review is supposed to come to conclusions about those parts of the system that need improving, product improvements, customer improvements etc.

The need for a business plan is not particularly explicit in ISO/TS 16949 - however, for a small company, a sheet of objectives including those quality objectives. That should suffice.
 

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Thank you very much for your help. The info you sent me seems to make it quite a bit clearer for me. I do have on more question about this. When I had my pre-audit the auditor looked at a prevoius management review meeting and made the coment that we mixed inputs and outputs together. Was he jusb being that way or does every input discussed have to have a output as a response and does it have to be in a separate column? I am getting the feeling he was (for a lack of better terms) just being that way.
Also, we are a very, very small manufacturer of injection molded parts. My boss does not even have a business plan written. It was also brought up in the pre-audit that we needed to develope our business plan to incorporate TS requirements. What are we required to show an auditor and what do you think will satisfy him?

You should see Management review as a process : it has some inputs ( the ones that we have said as per par 5.6.1.1 and 5.6.2 ) that , after being processed, they will carry to some out puts ( see par 5.6.3), aiming at improving processes, products and undestanding the need of resources.
We can see that from processing the input, there will be actions that will be verified in the next session ( with PDCA approach). Do not complicate more than it is...

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