Managers - Are you seeing an uptick in falsified resumes?

[leftoverture]

I'll answer your question -- no they don't read the ad. I haven't been on the job seeking side for 30 years, so I am not familiar with how these new job sites work from the employee perspective (I'm old school classified newspaper ads, lol). But it seems to me, it just pushes these jobs posts to every breathing human, and all they need to do is "click to apply." Almost zero thought or effort goes into it.

Yay for us old guys! In one of my previous positions, I doubled as the job ad placement person. I used to created and place all our employment copy in the local newspaper classifieds. I remember the Sunday paper was the big one for job ads.

 

[Tidge]

As a job seeker... I've had several recent situations where the HR point-of-contact (i.e., the pre-screen) was better at reviewing and discussing my resume than the first or second rounds involving the hiring manager! One was so completely disengaged I got the sense I was being used to fill a quota, in another I got the sense that the manager was fishing for specific keywords they recognized on a very particular topic... imagine being asked about "risk management" and the conversation partner wouldn't be satisfied unless the magic word "occurrence" was used... that sort of thing.

If anything, I think some of the job postings are being falsified!

 

[Slickpick]

If anything, I think some of the job postings are being falsified!

I saw some ridiculous postings back when I was actively searching. Some of the requirements from companies were absolute overkill for what they were offering. I still recall seeing a posting for a "Quality Manager" role that asked for the following:

• ASQ CMQ/OE, CQE, and CQA!
• Six Sigma Black Belt
• Certified ISO 9001 lead auditor
• Masters degree in engineering
• 10+ years experience in quality with at least 5 years in a decision making process

I still remember the salary they offered for that role: $45,000... I couldn't believe they were willing to offer so little when asking for such credentials.

 

[ChrisM]

Babies are born into the world knowing one thing: How to complain. They cry right away because they realize how much work needs to be done still.

I love that quote ! Did you come up with it or have you borrowed it from elsewhere?

 

[Ed Panek]

I love that quote ! Did you come up with it or have you borrowed it from elsewhere?

It’s from some book I’ve read years ago.

 

[gakiss2]

I have never seen a situation where a company made a counter-offer to stay worked out in the long run. Either the person turned it down, accepted it but left anyway a year later, or the company was just buying time to find a replacement without a gap. There was always hard feelings involved.

Regarding the salary increase, that depends on a lot of variables. If you are below the salary range for that role, by all means ask for a raise, If you are at the bottom of the range and have a good performance review, ask for a raise. If you are in the middle or upper part of the range, asking probably won't do any good unless you can argue for a grade increase (e.g., quality engineer to senior quality engineer). In all the companies at which I have worked, there were only three ways to get an increase:

1. Annual merit increase - these are usually small and the manager is typically given a fixed pool of money that they have to divvy up amongst their team. If you get more, someone else gets less. A fair manager will give high achievers more and low performers less, but lazy managers will give everyone the same percentage.
2. Developmental increase - this is when you get a promotion and a pay increase. The amount will depend on the new pay bracket and frankly whether or not your boss tries to low ball you at the bottom of the range.
3. Market adjustment - Most larger companies will survey what other companies are paying for a similar role in the same area. If the pay range is lagging behind what most companies in the area are paying, the company will make a market adjustment. If that adjustment causes you to drop below the bottom of the range, you can ask for a raise.

Thank you very much for the detailed response. I am in the lower end of the bracket but I needed a job more than I needed a good job. I'm trying to create a quality system (IATF) but I am not making much progress as I don't have a role in the company (other than the project to put the quality system together) and not getting much participation from others. They are pretty much preoccupied with making product. I actually interviewed for a Quality Manager position then it was changed to this. My title is Senior Advisor. I have no idea what that is. Anyway, not trying to whine.

 

[Randy]

I saw some ridiculous postings back when I was actively searching. Some of the requirements from companies were absolute overkill for what they were offering. I still recall seeing a posting for a "Quality Manager" role that asked for the following:

• ASQ CMQ/OE, CQE, and CQA!
• Six Sigma Black Belt
• Certified ISO 9001 lead auditor
• Masters degree in engineering
• 10+ years experience in quality with at least 5 years in a decision making process

I still remember the salary they offered for that role: $45,000... I couldn't believe they were willing to offer so little when asking for such credentials

Duh! Surely their response level is below a septic tank depth.

 

[Miner]

I saw some ridiculous postings back when I was actively searching. Some of the requirements from companies were absolute overkill for what they were offering. I still recall seeing a posting for a "Quality Manager" role that asked for the following:

• ASQ CMQ/OE, CQE, and CQA!
• Six Sigma Black Belt
• Certified ISO 9001 lead auditor
• Masters degree in engineering
• 10+ years experience in quality with at least 5 years in a decision making process

I still remember the salary they offered for that role: $45,000... I couldn't believe they were willing to offer so little when asking for such credentials.

I usually see those listed as desirable qualifications separate from the required qualifications. That salary might have been somewhat reasonable 45-50 years ago in a rural area, but definitely not today.

 

[Randy]

. That salary might have been somewhat reasonable 45-50 years ago in a rural area, but definitely not today.

Yeah, anyone putting that out is due for a DEA raid.

 

[jpconnor]

Hello everyone,

We have had a large amount of candidates submit highly embellished resumes recently. I understand that individuals exaggerate a few things to stand out, but we have had candidates flat out lie about their experience and credentials just to get their foot in the door. In addition, there are candidates who do not meet criteria asking for excessive salaries.

A few of the things we are seeing (The positions we have had open are Quality based roles):

• Buzzwords and statements such as "expert in APQP and PPAP" - Candidates fail to explain even the basics of what a PPAP is or encompasses during the interview
  • Some candidates have even said during interviews "I don't know what those are. Those shouldn't be on my resume"
• Individuals are claiming to have ASQ certifications when they don't (cannot provide to us and their name does not come up on ASQ's certificate registry)
• Excessive job hoppers
• Salary requests of over $100,000 with almost no experience or knowledge

Is anyone else involved with the hiring process experiencing this? If so, has it gotten worse recently, or has it always been like this?

A couple of points to address here. This ain't our Dad's QMS anymore lol. 1. Manager's appoint people that do the job as interviewers, I am on my 7th as the interviewer for an Internal Auditor, and I am an Internal Auditor with over 25 years as an auditor. 2. Most of the people interviewing are from outside the US but we cannot hire them due to the CHIPS act and difficulties with the H1B Visa lottery. 3. The people I interviewed, I don't go easy on them. When they say they are proficient in the IATF standard, I ask them about Core Tools, like FMEA and they bomb...Core Tools ARE Not Excel, and Word LOL. 4. Job jumping is acceptable especially in the Tech industry. With the rise in inflation, a 100K job may sound excessive to us older people, it's not. The average rental in my area is 2K and the average house prices is 380K for a 1500 sq foot house. For 100K I expect the candidate to not only talk and walk IATF16949 but show some critical thinking on specific subjects like APQP, FMEA, Control plan...