leftoverture
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I get your points, for sure, but these days, for $100k, you should probably expect a recent college graduate with little to no experience. That seems to be the entry level asking price nowadays.
Managers - Are you seeing an uptick in falsified resumes?
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For a senior position I would look for a broader sense of the standard as it is and how its evolved. "It says you started in 2003 under ISO 12345. Since then the standard has gone through 2 revisions. In your own words how would you say this has impacted industry? What are the positives? The negatives? What do you think should be the next change, if any?" As a senior level manager those are the thoughts you should be having. You cant BS those and I want a senior person to view their QMS objectively.
Randy
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$100K ain't that great, one can take home more way below that....Trust me from experience!
I had a bit of an odd looking resume for a long time that lead to some needed explanation if I got an interview. Despite going to university for mechanical engineering I started my professional life in IT and was miserable. What can I say it was the late 80's and early 90's, IT was booming.
I made a career change and went back to a trade school for machining and machine tool technology. I began work as a machinist and life was pretty good. Through an odd course of events I went from Machinist to QC inspector, to QC lead, and finally Quality Manager for a small shop. Small business being what small businesses often are there were lots of ups and downs. I was laid off for the second time and sought out something more stable.
Best role I could find at the time was Quality Supervisor but it was a larger company, more direct reports, and a bit more scope or responsibility than the previous manager role. That lasted just over a year before the corporate overlords shut down our 160 employee 350,000sqft facility to consolidate into another underutilized facility a couple states over.
I was once again on the hunt and the best I could do this time was a roles as a Quality Specialist. Again it was a larger company, a tier one supplier, and the job role, despite the title, was much more involved. I was promoted to Quality Engineer after a time and spent several good years there. It is one of those jobs I regret leaving but I had possibly the worst managers I have ever come across in my 50+ years.
I left for a Senior Supplier Quality Engineer role that was a tier one supplier and I came across one of the best leaders I have ever had the pleasure of working for. I liked working with him so much I left the company shortly after he did to follow him.
I was still in a Supplier QE role but eventually moved to an internal QE role and finally the Quality Engineering Manager role, all still under that leader as the Quality Director.
So I changed careers, job hopped multiple times (sometimes by force), and changed job roles a couple of times. It was fun explaining why I seemed to move down the ladder on paper before eventually moving back up. Once I explained the reasons for leaving certain roles, sometimes after only 18 to 24 months, the job hopping was deemed acceptable. Once I then outlined the increases in responsibility and scope for each role despite the "decreases" in job title all the interviewers seemed ok with that as well.
Now that I am in a hiring role again I have seen the full spectrum. Sharp kids right out of college that expect 6 figure salaries with minimal experience. Less than sharp kids right out of college that could not engineer their way out of an empty room with an unlocked door. People that were completely unqualified for the job they had applied for and were just throwing a resume at anything posted on the job boards, presumably in the hopes that eventually they could talk their way into a job. People that include all the right buzz words on their CV but could not articulate what any of them were in an interview, all hat but no cattle. Through it all I have only had one candidate flat out lie and then try to stick to the lie when called out on it.
Around here it is a small world for quality professionals. Most of us have worked at the same company, for the same customers, or with former co-workers at some point. That is to say we all get to know each other or at least know of each other. One candidate claimed to work for a company in the QC department at a time when I was friends with the Quality Manager at that facility. When I asked some leading questions about working for that company and for that person specifically he claimed he was not familiar with my friend. I thought that was odd since he would have been his direct supervising manager. I pressed a little further and the candidate began to weave a story that no one in the room was buying, we had a small panel of interviewers. After we brought the interview to a close and escorted him out I called my friend. He had never heard of the guy. I was a bit miffed at our HR team that supposedly prescreened him only to find out they had never gotten in touch with two of his listed former employers and had not bothered with his references. Once they did they found out about 50% to 60% of his resume was falsified. They are out there for sure but it has not been a significant issue for us.
I made a career change and went back to a trade school for machining and machine tool technology. I began work as a machinist and life was pretty good. Through an odd course of events I went from Machinist to QC inspector, to QC lead, and finally Quality Manager for a small shop. Small business being what small businesses often are there were lots of ups and downs. I was laid off for the second time and sought out something more stable.
Best role I could find at the time was Quality Supervisor but it was a larger company, more direct reports, and a bit more scope or responsibility than the previous manager role. That lasted just over a year before the corporate overlords shut down our 160 employee 350,000sqft facility to consolidate into another underutilized facility a couple states over.
I was once again on the hunt and the best I could do this time was a roles as a Quality Specialist. Again it was a larger company, a tier one supplier, and the job role, despite the title, was much more involved. I was promoted to Quality Engineer after a time and spent several good years there. It is one of those jobs I regret leaving but I had possibly the worst managers I have ever come across in my 50+ years.
I left for a Senior Supplier Quality Engineer role that was a tier one supplier and I came across one of the best leaders I have ever had the pleasure of working for. I liked working with him so much I left the company shortly after he did to follow him.
I was still in a Supplier QE role but eventually moved to an internal QE role and finally the Quality Engineering Manager role, all still under that leader as the Quality Director.
So I changed careers, job hopped multiple times (sometimes by force), and changed job roles a couple of times. It was fun explaining why I seemed to move down the ladder on paper before eventually moving back up. Once I explained the reasons for leaving certain roles, sometimes after only 18 to 24 months, the job hopping was deemed acceptable. Once I then outlined the increases in responsibility and scope for each role despite the "decreases" in job title all the interviewers seemed ok with that as well.
Now that I am in a hiring role again I have seen the full spectrum. Sharp kids right out of college that expect 6 figure salaries with minimal experience. Less than sharp kids right out of college that could not engineer their way out of an empty room with an unlocked door. People that were completely unqualified for the job they had applied for and were just throwing a resume at anything posted on the job boards, presumably in the hopes that eventually they could talk their way into a job. People that include all the right buzz words on their CV but could not articulate what any of them were in an interview, all hat but no cattle. Through it all I have only had one candidate flat out lie and then try to stick to the lie when called out on it.
Around here it is a small world for quality professionals. Most of us have worked at the same company, for the same customers, or with former co-workers at some point. That is to say we all get to know each other or at least know of each other. One candidate claimed to work for a company in the QC department at a time when I was friends with the Quality Manager at that facility. When I asked some leading questions about working for that company and for that person specifically he claimed he was not familiar with my friend. I thought that was odd since he would have been his direct supervising manager. I pressed a little further and the candidate began to weave a story that no one in the room was buying, we had a small panel of interviewers. After we brought the interview to a close and escorted him out I called my friend. He had never heard of the guy. I was a bit miffed at our HR team that supposedly prescreened him only to find out they had never gotten in touch with two of his listed former employers and had not bothered with his references. Once they did they found out about 50% to 60% of his resume was falsified. They are out there for sure but it has not been a significant issue for us.
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