Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM directly?
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Re: Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM direc
Yes, I have created a 'master' PFMEA and Flow Chart in the past, which I used for any new product by cutting and pasting to match the defined process. The control plan would then be made to match the process as defined in the two preceding documents.
It does take some time (and work) to create a good master document, but in the end it is well worth it.
Yes, I have created a 'master' PFMEA and Flow Chart in the past, which I used for any new product by cutting and pasting to match the defined process. The control plan would then be made to match the process as defined in the two preceding documents.
It does take some time (and work) to create a good master document, but in the end it is well worth it.
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Re: Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM direc
We do a master FEMA which allows us to create a one time FEMA for anything. What we were finding is that any changes, upgrades, improvements, etc could be applied accross the board and it was impossible to keep everything updated. Now the master is always current and updated as needed.
We do a master FEMA which allows us to create a one time FEMA for anything. What we were finding is that any changes, upgrades, improvements, etc could be applied accross the board and it was impossible to keep everything updated. Now the master is always current and updated as needed.
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Re: Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM direc
Thank you Golfman25, a 2nd vote of affirmation is great to hear. Our team is on board and everyone is looking forward to exactly the results you mentioned - everything updated and easier maintenance going forward. We are putting in the work now on Master FMEAs.
Jean
Thank you Golfman25, a 2nd vote of affirmation is great to hear. Our team is on board and everyone is looking forward to exactly the results you mentioned - everything updated and easier maintenance going forward. We are putting in the work now on Master FMEAs.
Jean
I have been to get my team to consider this, but everyone is too scared it's a huge undertaking.QualityKRSC
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Re: Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM direc
Your team is correct, it is a huge undertaking, but today I can speak to the benefits of the work involved. We committed a cross-functional team to 3 meetings a week to stress the importance that once we started this we could not stop until complete.
we have been working for months, but the end is near.
First we listed all individual FMEAs and then grouped them into the Master Families of products. We went from 33 Ind. FMEAs to 16 Master Families FMEAs. ( some groups must stand alone.
The first FMEA was of course was the most difficult to get through. But once we did, we all had a good feeling for what we were about to accomplish. We brought in SMEs from each processes so the scoring was fair and accurate.( Sev., Occ., & Det.)
Our benefits to date: Std. Work improved plant wide; CARS will cover "Like products" easier; Process Audits will be simplified; Future Product Planning will be simplified; Document Updates, time saving and greatly improved; and Internal Audits, redundancy reduced.
Go for it.
Your team is correct, it is a huge undertaking, but today I can speak to the benefits of the work involved. We committed a cross-functional team to 3 meetings a week to stress the importance that once we started this we could not stop until complete.
we have been working for months, but the end is near.
First we listed all individual FMEAs and then grouped them into the Master Families of products. We went from 33 Ind. FMEAs to 16 Master Families FMEAs. ( some groups must stand alone.
The first FMEA was of course was the most difficult to get through. But once we did, we all had a good feeling for what we were about to accomplish. We brought in SMEs from each processes so the scoring was fair and accurate.( Sev., Occ., & Det.)
Our benefits to date: Std. Work improved plant wide; CARS will cover "Like products" easier; Process Audits will be simplified; Future Product Planning will be simplified; Document Updates, time saving and greatly improved; and Internal Audits, redundancy reduced.
Go for it.
Re: Master FMEA for "like processes" - Does an FMEA have to match the CP and PM direc
That's a pretty good list. And a lot will depend on your processes. Ours are pretty simple -- a punched hole is generally a punched hole regardless of the application.
The only thing I would caution is be careful of what industry you're in. Anything other than automotive (aerospace might have different requirements), IMO modify the concepts to fit you. But in Automotive, people generally freak out if you do something that makes sense when it isn't by the book. So you need to be ready to "explain."
That's a pretty good list. And a lot will depend on your processes. Ours are pretty simple -- a punched hole is generally a punched hole regardless of the application.
The only thing I would caution is be careful of what industry you're in. Anything other than automotive (aerospace might have different requirements), IMO modify the concepts to fit you. But in Automotive, people generally freak out if you do something that makes sense when it isn't by the book. So you need to be ready to "explain."