Meeting AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 e) Delegation of Verification requirements

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tomstwincam

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Happy New Year everyone.

I have a question about delegation of verification.

In Sec 7.4.3 e) it states delegation of verification to the supplier, or supplier certification.
It then goes to say further down, Where the organization delegates verification activities to the supplier, the requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained.

Can someone give me an example of how they satisfied this requirement?
 
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Al Rosen

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Re: 7.4.3 e) Delegation of verification

Happy New Year everyone.

I have a question about delegation of verification.

In Sec 7.4.3 e) it states delegation of verification to the supplier, or supplier certification.
It then goes to say further down, Where the organization delegates verification activities to the supplier, the requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained.

Can someone give me an example of how they satisfied this requirement?
This is a process for accepting purchased material without inspecting it. It's sometimes called "Dock to Stock". You need to describe the requirements that a supplier must meet before qualifying. For example, 10 lots on-time delivery without rejection. Here is a more little more detailed procedure from a non aerospace company that I found through Google.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Delegation of verification is when a customer allows a DESIGNATED employee of the supplier to perform acceptance activities on it's behalf. It normally requires that individual to be qualified and competent to perform whatever acceptance activities are necessary. But, and as important, the designated individual must be a very trustworthy person, whom the customer believes it can rely on.

This would be equivalent to source inspection, with the primary difference that the inspection is done by a supplier's employee or third-party, instead of a customer representative.

I don't think that products accepted via delegation are necessarily treated as dock-to-stock, but it could be a component of a DTS system.
 
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tomstwincam

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I'm still confused. The standard says, "the requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained." I thought the requirements for delegation of verification such as, (gold plating thickness, hardness testing, passivation certification, etc.) can be defined on the Purchased Order. What we are doing now under ISO is adding a note to our P.O. that says, Gold Plating per Procedure xxx or Passivation per Procedure xxx, we then supply the procedure to the vendor. When we receive the finished part we have a CofC to check against. That, I think, will meet the requirement of delegation of verification, because I have now delegated the verification of this part to the supplier. I am uncertain on how to maintain a register of verifications. I don't know if I have to create a seperate procedure or register or I can incorporate it into exsisting documentation.
Thoughts?
 

Al Rosen

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Delegation of verification is when a customer allows a DESIGNATED employee of the supplier to perform acceptance activities on it's behalf. It normally requires that individual to be qualified and competent to perform whatever acceptance activities are necessary. But, and as important, the designated individual must be a very trustworthy person, whom the customer believes it can rely on.

This would be equivalent to source inspection, with the primary difference that the inspection is done by a supplier's employee or third-party, instead of a customer representative.

I don't think that products accepted via delegation are necessarily treated as dock-to-stock, but it could be a component of a DTS system.
When I had a delegation, it was. :agree: But, you are correct that it doesn't necessarily have to.
 

Al Rosen

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I'm still confused. The standard says, "the requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained." I thought the requirements for delegation of verification such as, (gold plating thickness, hardness testing, passivation certification, etc.) can be defined on the Purchased Order. What we are doing now under ISO is adding a note to our P.O. that says, Gold Plating per Procedure xxx or Passivation per Procedure xxx, we then supply the procedure to the vendor. When we receive the finished part we have a CofC to check against. That, I think, will meet the requirement of delegation of verification, because I have now delegated the verification of this part to the supplier. I am uncertain on how to maintain a register of verifications. I don't know if I have to create a seperate procedure or register or I can incorporate it into exsisting documentation.
Thoughts?
Go with Sidney's explanation of Delegation of Inspection. What you are describing is addresed by:
Where the organization utilizes test reports to verify purchased product, the data in those reports shall be acceptable per applicable specifications. The organization shall periodically validate test reports for raw material.
 
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tomstwincam

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You're correct. I am asking about verification of purchased product. I found this just now through Google. It is a from a companies AS9100 manual

http://www.malcams.com/qc/7.4.htm

Now my question is concerning this in particular;

e. delegation of verification to the supplier, or supplier certification.

Where MII delegates verification activities to the supplier, the requirements for delegation are defined and a register of delegations maintained.

Does anyone have examples of how they defined the requirements for delegation to their supplier and how they developed a register of delegations to their suppliers?
 
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kiwisfly

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Hi Tomstwincam
The delegation is sometimes called 'Source Inspection' where an inspector or the QA Manager holds a delegated authority of 'Inspector' from the customer. This means, the customer doesn't need to inspect samples at the source prior to shipment as they are confident the parts have been manufactured appropriately and someone inside the supplier's organisation can sign as accepting on behalf of the customer.

The process whereby the delegation is awarded to the supplier's inspector is normally the same as the in-house inspector. The register of inspectors can then include names of suppliers inspectors that qualify for the company stamp in the same way in-house inspectors do.

Don't confuse defined requirements of the product with defined requirements of the source inspector delegation. The defined requirements should be the same as any other engineering authority granted within an organisation eg Competent the machine, Inspector competency or QA Auditor. It should be objective and based on education, training and demonstrated practical experience. Source Inspection delegations are never given out easily and it normally takes years of doing business with the customer without problems occurring before the delegation is awarded. When auditing this clause, I look for the objective evidence that is the basis of the delegation and monitor how often it is reviewed and reissued as they should not be automatically renewed even though this does occur.

I apologise if I have repeated some of the other posts but have done so to help clarify each of the points raised. I hope this helps.

Cheers

Note: Lockheed sometimes use the term Source Inspection to describe their own inspection at the customer's premises, normally at First Article stage. In most cases, however, source inspection is done by the source at their own location.
 
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tkevmoore

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Delegation of verification is when a customer allows a DESIGNATED employee of the supplier to perform acceptance activities on it's behalf. It normally requires that individual to be qualified and competent to perform whatever acceptance activities are necessary. But, and as important, the designated individual must be a very trustworthy person, whom the customer believes it can rely on.
Could this be something as simple as the supplier's head quality representative (Quality Manager?) signing off on a C of C (if the C of C was the only acceptance activity required on the part)?
 
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