Meeting AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 e) Delegation of Verification requirements

Coury Ferguson

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<snip>What you are describing is addressed by:
AS9100 said:
Where the organization utilizes test reports to verify purchased product, the data in those reports shall be acceptable per applicable specifications. The organization shall periodically validate test reports for raw material.
Which is disappearing with Revision C of AS9100.

Could this be something as simple as the supplier's head quality representative (Quality Manager?) signing off on a C of C (if the C of C was the only acceptance activity required on the part)?
As has been discussed here in the Cove before, a C of C isn't worth the paper it is written on, in my opinion.
 
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Sidney Vianna

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Here is attached simple form I have used to demonstrate compliance to AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 e) Delegation of Verification requirements.
Your form does not specify who is the designated individual at the supplier with authority to inspect product on your behalf. Also, note that, according to AS9100, the requirements for delegation must be defined. Your form does not provide for that.
 
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AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 e does not requires to name individuals performing verification. This is up to supplier (we are dealing only with AS9100 registered suppliers). You are thinking probably about source inspection or DQR aka SQR which is Delegated/Supplier Quality Rep used by the primes. And as far as delegations are concerned they are listed in the right colum under list of delegations (visual, x-ray etc). This form survived over dozens different AS9100 audits and never been revised.
 

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AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 e does not requires to name individuals performing verification. This is up to supplier (we are dealing only with AS9100 registered suppliers). You are thinking probably about source inspection or DQR aka SQR which is Delegated/Supplier Quality Rep used by the primes. And as far as delegations are concerned they are listed in the right colum under list of delegations (visual, x-ray etc). This form survived over dozens different AS9100 audits and never been revised.
The fact that it has "survived" a dozen audits does not mean it satisfies the (the intent of the) standard. In my opinion, a delegation process in aerospace most definitely requires the individual(s) granted authority to be identified.

Some of the Boeing requirements associated with this:
(3) Seller shall appoint personnel to act as Designated Supplier Representatives (DSRs) from its quality assurance department. A DSR is an individual with authority to administer the PSID process for Seller. DSRs shall have experience with Buyer's specifications, standards, and products to ensure that all requirements are met. Seller shall provide Buyer an up-to-date list of its DSRs on the Preferred Supplier Inspection Delegation Designated Supplier Representatives form ( MD-2119-02 Form).

(4) Only DSRs can accept goods on behalf of Buyer.
If you look at the Boeing form 2119-02, you will see that there is no question about the need to identify the individual(s).
 

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The fact that it has "survived" a dozen audits does not mean it satisfies the (the intent of the) standard. In my opinion, a delegation process in aerospace most definitely requires the individual(s) granted authority to be identified.

Some of the Boeing requirements associated with this:
If you look at the Boeing form 2119-02, you will see that there is no question about the need to identify the individual(s).
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I agree with Sidney. There are very similar requirements from UTC (Pratt & Whitney, besides the other entities of UTC). I was a DSQR for Pratt & Whitney.
 
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wweng7

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Absolutely agree, if you think on the primes level you would have to interpret standard this way (flowdown of their SQR (SUPPLIER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS) but for small company dealing with small company is not mandatory, only "requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained".
 

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but for small company dealing with small company is not mandatory, only "requirements for delegation shall be defined and a register of delegations maintained".
Supplier delegation for product verification is something that the large aero OEMs and primes do very carefully. It normally involves a whole set of envelope conditions, which normally include a high historical excellent performance by the supplier. For "small" organizations to delegate authority for product verification to another "small" supplier (albeit 9100 "compliant") without a whole set of conditions which would boost confidence in the adequacy and trustiworthiness of the verification activity is concerning, in my opinion.

Another example where you might be "in conformance" with the "cold text" of the standard, but people might question the adequacy of the arrangement, especially when one realizes the criticality of the products we are dealing with.
 
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Totally agree. Considering "criticality of the products we are dealing with" you can add a lot more requirements (besides identity of delegated person) which are not in the body of the specification.
 
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