MIL-STD-2000 Certification Requirements

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I am auditing a contract manufacturer of cable assemblies. The drawing they are building to calls out certification to MIL-STD-2000, as a minimum. I know that the specification was cancelled without a superseding document, and I remember another document that states that it cannot be used in new acquisitions. The assembler that performed the assembly was certified to J-STD-001 and IPC-620 at one time, but those certifications have expired. Does the supplier have to be certified to MIL-STD-2000 or have active certification to J-STD-001 and IPC-620 to be compliant or is this a nonconformance?
 
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No - the drawing needs to be updated or they need to have a record from their customer specifying what they really want.

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I would consider it a finding. Why didn't the supplier raise the issue at contract review?
 
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Sorry for the late answer. I didn't get an email about your post.
They did bring it up in Contract review that MIL-STD-2000 was called out and they countered with the obsolescence and J-STD-001 in their review.
I'm not sure I agree with holding companies to be certified to obsolete specifications when there are current industry accepted specifications. MIL-STD-2000 was obsoleted but J-STD-001 was not adapted by the DOD as its replacement so this is a grey area for me.
 

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The drawing should have been updated or the exception noted on the PO. If neither was done, technically it's a finding and they can work out a CA with the customer, who will probably accept the J-std since they will not have to change the drawing or PO and the j-std is equivalent to the mil-std.

BTW, that issue at Contract review should have resulted in an action item.
 
#6
Ok that makes sense.
One last question. Does J-STD-001 and IPC/WHMA-A-620 require ongoing certification? The supplier has assemblers and inspectors that were trained and certified to J-STD-001 and IPC/WHMA-A-620, but have allowed the certifications to expire. Their people are still doing the same jobs they were doing when they were certified, and good performance reviews. Does this meet the requirements of 1.10 Personnel Proficiency in J-STD-001, and 1.11 Personnel Proficiency of IPC/WHMA-A-620 or do they need to be re-certified to meet the spec requirements?
 

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Ok that makes sense.
One last question. Does J-STD-001 and IPC/WHMA-A-620 require ongoing certification? The supplier has assemblers and inspectors that were trained and certified to J-STD-001 and IPC/WHMA-A-620, but have allowed the certifications to expire. Their people are still doing the same jobs they were doing when they were certified, and good performance reviews. Does this meet the requirements of 1.10 Personnel Proficiency in J-STD-001, and 1.11 Personnel Proficiency of IPC/WHMA-A-620 or do they need to be re-certified to meet the spec requirements?
Good performance reviews don't meet the requirements.

The certs expire after 2 years and re-certification is required. Another issue is that J-STD-001 is a process standard with more requirements than operator certification that the Contract Manufacturer will probably not be meeting.
 
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QLearning

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Good performance reviews don't meet the requirements.

The certs expire after 2 years and re-certification is required. Another issue is that J-STD-001 is a process standard with more requirements than operator certification that the Contract Manufacturer will probably not be meeting.
Al, my question regarding J-std-001 requirements are a bit broader. We are a pcb assembly house. One of our customers has asked us about building to J-STD-001. One area we are evaluating, is how this requirement to us will affect our customer part vendors, specifically, our pcb vendor. I see in the standard Section 9 on PCB requirements, but not sure what else we need to look at for our vendors to meet.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 

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Al, my question regarding J-std-001 requirements are a bit broader. ....
J-STD-001 is for your process. Look at table 1-1 in J-STD-001 and determine the applicable standard(s) required for the PCB type. Be sure to understand what they are and verify that your supplier is knowledgeable in the requirements of the standards.[/QUOTE]
 

QLearning

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Al,
Thank you very much for your quick reply. Based on your response, it seems that there should be no reason for our PCB fab vendor to increase price to us, just because we are building to J-std-001. Is this assumption correct?
 
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