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Minimum Organization Structure to support TS16949

#1
Looking for input on minimum Operational / Quality minimum structure or org charts to support and maintain ISO/TS16949.

I am attempting to certify a very small startup plant with not enough people to support.

Please respond with your thoughts or Org Charts on Minimum requirements to implement, but also to sustain the processes.

Thanks and best Regards.:thanx:
 
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DrM2u

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[...] I am attempting to certify a very small startup plant with not enough people to support. [...]
Well, I did some :braincloud: (heavy thinking) and came up with one humble conclusion, given that:
1. It takes at least one person for a company to be established and exist
2. There is no prescribed or requested organizational size or structure related to TS

Therefore, I concluded that one person would suffice as long as this person has and can demonstrate the abilities, knowledge, discipline and time needed to meet the requirements of TS. It is not uncommon for a person to wear more than one hat within an organization, so why not wear them all if you can?!?

I also believe that the size, type and needs of the organization will dictate the organizational structure necessary to function properly, not the requirements of the standard. I am yet to see a standard that requires an organization to have so many managers, so many operators, so many inspectors, etc. All that a standard does is to establish a number of requirements that are to be met, and the customers or the market require compliance with these requirements in order to do business with the organization.

I would kick out a customer that would come into my organization and tell me what personnel and what positions I need to have if I want to do business with them. I am in business to make money, and it is my decision and responsibility to do that in the most effective manner. And these are my :2cents: for the day.
 

Howard Atkins

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#3
Looking for input on minimum Operational / Quality minimum structure or org charts to support and maintain ISO/TS16949.

I am attempting to certify a very small startup plant with not enough people to support.

Please respond with your thoughts or Org Charts on Minimum requirements to implement, but also to sustain the processes.

Thanks and best Regards.:thanx:

I would ask why are you trying?
 
#4
I would ask why are you trying?
Well I am not sure why you are asking why, other than the obvious which is our customer expects us to become TS16949 certified. I am dedicated to this task, however I only have 1/2 of a Quality Engineer / the other part of his time is spent as a Process Engineer. We all know when it comes to keep a line running and control of Quality Systems and documenting CAPA information, which wins out when a shipment is due.
Others in the plant do not have automotive experience and have a hard time in understanding that the they own an entire process, including the inputs and outputs. I cannot roll out the 7 required procedures and then become responsible for all of them myself. I do not believe this company will support with people the team that it needs to implement or maintain a reliable QMS system.
 
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Steve Berian

#5
While a "1" person organization may be able to do it all, s/he will get no sleep and at least an ulcer if s/he really tries to do so.

Meanwhile, am re-registering now after having dropped this cert several months ago. I have seen posts alluding to "7 required procedures" but don't know which they are. Please advise.
 

Jen Kirley

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TS 16949 asks for adequate planning and resources (section 6) which include personnel, though arguably with enough automation fewer personnel are needed so the question really becomes "What must I do to satisfy my customer requirements, and conform to the standard?" How you address the question is up to you; some outsourcing of certain processes may be possible to lighten your load. And so, in my view your question of organizational chart is secondary to planning your resources.

The question of what process documents are required has been covered in the thread titled TS 16949 Clause 4.2.3 - How many Procedures are Required?
 
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