Mix Multi-Site/Individual Certification - Has this ever happened to anyone?

rvanelli

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Suppose a large corporation with several sites around the world decided to bring the ISO 9000 certification under the same certificate instead of allowing those sites to have a stand alone certificate. And in doing so the corporate determined that sites that were also 14001 certified would maintain their own ISO 14001 certifications.

So to be clear corporate decides to take control of the ISO 9000 but allow the sites to maintain their own ISO 14000.

So while the two standards are written to go hand in hand the sites would be required to develop a seperate 14001 quality manual to support the stand alone 14001 certification.

I'm very interested to know the opinions regarding this from those here.

Thanks in advance.
 
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somashekar

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Welcome to the COVE rvanelli ~~~

ISO14k and that part of ISO9k applicable to the site can be integrated together and managed by the site. The CB who audit the ISO14k will be interested in the 14k scope of the management system, and the CB who audit you for ISO9k as a part of your corporate certification, will be interested in the 9k scope of your site and the processes as described in your corporate quality manual process interactions, between your site and corporate.
 

rvanelli

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Yes the sites were certified to both 9000 and 14000. Now they will be seperate. The new corporate quality manual makes no mention of 14000 thus the site will have to develop a stand alone 14000 manual.

I was curious as to if this has ever happened before that 9000 and 14000 documentation were split apart in to two seperate systems.

I think they are written to be maintained in one system.
 

somashekar

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

I think they are written to be maintained in one system.
The standards are such that they can be integrated, however they can still be maintained as separate management systems, if the company so desires.
 
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JLang

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Our company maintains two seperate quality manuals. One for 9K and one for 14K.
 

gpainter

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Do the operations in regards to 14 vary widely from plant to plant? This could be a possible reason.
 
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JLang

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Review meetings are held together. Audits are mix and match. We will often audit 14k when we deal with our warehousing audits, as that is the area most affected. We do hold seperate 14k audits as well.
 

rvanelli

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

Do the operations in regards to 14 vary widely from plant to plant? This could be a possible reason.
They do. Some sites are manufacturing while some are service and distribution. Some are ISO 9000, ISO 13485, TL 9000, AS 9110, AS 9120 and TS16949. 3 manuals one for 9000/16949 one for 13485 and one for 9100 but nothing for 14000.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Re: Has this ever happened to anyone?

So while the two standards are written to go hand in hand the sites would be required to develop a seperate 14001 quality manual to support the stand alone 14001 certification.
There is no requirement in ISO 14001 for an Environmental (not Quality) Management System Manual, which should allow for each site to formalize/document it's own EMS accordingly; i.e., to the extent that it makes sense. While some documentation will very likely be necessary, overkill on documentation is something that should be avoided.

Since the corporate management wants the sites to go for ISO 14001 certification on a site by site basis, the flexibility should be used by the sites to their benefit, allowing the EMS to be designed in line with the maturity and specific situation. Having said that, sharing best practices and lessons learned could prove very beneficial for all the sites involved.

Good luck.
 
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