MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) Study plan

SATHYABALARAMAN

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During my TS audit, i had an observation that "MSA Studies for various type of instruments to be covered in MSA plan", since we conducted only Gage R&R for bore dial gauges.

Msa study plan to be prepared based on instrument, msa study, frequency of study, participants, etc.
Kindly help me to prepare this.
 
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Re: MSA Study plan

AIAG Blue book for MSA 4th Ed is a useful guideline to perform them.
The clause of ISO TS 9 7.6.1) states that the requirement shall apply to measurement systems referenced in the control plan. You shall conform to the requirement of your customer to do it or used other method if they are agreed with your customer.
 

Jim Wynne

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Re: MSA Study plan

During my TS audit, i had an observation that "MSA Studies for various type of instruments to be covered in MSA plan", since we conducted only Gage R&R for bore dial gauges. <snip>
There is no requirement in ISO/TS 16949 for an "MSA study plan." If you have instances where MSA should have been performed (for devices cited in control plans, e.g.) but wasn't, it should be considered a nonconformity and not an "observation," unless you're using "observation" to mean "nonconformity."

In any event, your auditor can't require you to do things that aren't required by the standard. If you think some sort of plan would be helpful that's fine, but you shouldn't be doing it because the auditor doesn't understand the requirements.
 

Rameshwar25

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dear all
i agree with Jim Wynne that there is no such requirement to maintain MSA plan but usually in quality manual/ any procedure/ work instruction , we normally refer MSA plan in our documentation. if we have referred somewhere, then it becomes necessary to maintain a plan otherwise not.

At last, i would opine that without MSA plan one cannot effectively implement the MSA requirement.

Regards
 

qusys

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dear all
i agree with Jim Wynne that there is no such requirement to maintain MSA plan but usually in quality manual/ any procedure/ work instruction , we normally refer MSA plan in our documentation. if we have referred somewhere, then it becomes necessary to maintain a plan otherwise not.

At last, i would opine that without MSA plan one cannot effectively implement the MSA requirement.

Regards
Hi Rameshwar25,
agree with you.
However we should know more details about the non conformity or observation ( we do not know what it is ) from the original poster.
We should also understand the purpose of the MSA plan, what it means and what the contents are.
It could also be that this MSA plan is intended as a plan of actions for measurement systems that are not compliant to the rules set with customer ( for example MSA blue book), where there is reported PTR, PTV minus than 10 %. So, MSA plan could be seen as a plan to recover for the organization ( case of PTR, PTV major than 30 % etc....).
 
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