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MSA Studies on each Equipment, each Measurement System or Family in Control Plan?

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Hamed

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Hello
the standard requires in (7.6.1)MSA for each type of measuring equipments, it means that not need MSA for all measuring equipments but just only one equipment for each type.
 
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Malfreds

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Hi,
I liked the last post. Our customer is Ford and we have presented for approval to our STA/SQE the following:
-GR&R for each critical characteristic, no matter if we measure several dimensions with same instrument. For example, we have one CMM that we use to check 10 dimensions, so we perform 10 GR&R studies.
-Full MSA study (linearity,bias,stability,gr&r) for each instrument stated in CP. For example: One CMM to check 10 dimensions, one vernier to check 3 dimensions, one thickness meter to check 1 dimension, one go/nogo to check 4 dimensions; totally we perform 3 full MSA because go/nogo gage does not apply for linearity/bias/stability (at least as far as I know).

We present this within our PPAP documentation and also for ISO/TS recertification and we have been receiving green light each time.

One last thing. If for some reason we start to use another vernier to check a fourth dimension, we still don't perform full MSA for that new vernier because we have one for the other.

Let me know what you think about our process.

Thank you.
 
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qusys

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Malfreds said:
Hi,
I liked the last post. Our customer is Ford and we have presented for approval to our STA/SQE the following:
-GR&R for each critical characteristic, no matter if we measure several dimensions with same instrument. For example, we have one CMM that we use to check 10 dimensions, so we perform 10 GR&R studies.
-Full MSA study (linearity,bias,stability,gr&r) for each instrument stated in CP. For example: One CMM to check 10 dimensions, one vernier to check 3 dimensions, one thickness meter to check 1 dimension, one go/nogo to check 4 dimensions; totally we perform 3 full MSA because go/nogo gage does not apply for linearity/bias/stability (at least as far as I know).

We present this within our PPAP documentation and also for ISO/TS recertification and we have been receiving green light each time.

One last thing. If for some reason we start to use another vernier to check a fourth dimension, we still don't perform full MSA for that new vernier because we have one for the other.

Let me know what you think about our process.

Thank you.
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Could it be also depended on the sector of the business? In the semiconductor arena the equipment are automatic and operator who loads the equipment does not influence R&R. What about?
 
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qusys said:
Could it be also depended on the sector of the business? In the semiconductor arena the equipment are automatic and operator who loads the equipment does not influence R&R. What about?
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For such a case AIAG recommends Gage R and stabililty studies.
 
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bobdoering said:
For such a case AIAG recommends Gage R and stabililty studies.
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Coul it be ok this solution?
Gr & R on one equipment of a family group, calibration on weekly basis of the other equipment with respect to a certificated primaty standard with point charged on SPC?:bigwave:
 
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qusys said:
Coul it be ok this solution?
Gr & R on one equipment of a family group, calibration on weekly basis of the other equipment with respect to a certificated primaty standard with point charged on SPC?:bigwave:
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As long as the family is similar automated machines with no operator impact on variation, then it is a possible.
 
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