Need help on new TS 16949 Rules

soulmas

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I'm in corporate office and working with the registrar to schedule TS audits for this year for different locations. Based on the new rules, site extensions are no longer do not exist anymore and should be treated as an independent manufacturing location. In the past, an auditor audited my site extensions in 2 hours, 5 hours, a day max... now, with the new rules, some site extentions need to be audited in 4, 6, days.. How are you handling this in your company? I can accept moving from 2 hours to half a day or maybe half a day to a complete day.. but from half a day to 6 days??? HELP!!!
 
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Howard Atkins

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If the sites need 6 days then that means they have some 100 people which to me shows that the previous audit time was far to little and is one of the reasons that these "site extensions" have been removed.
In terms of auditing time, if they are genuine site extensions then you should be able to have a corporate scheme which will reduce the overall time.
 

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We have 2 plants within walking distance of each other. They both follow the same procedures and work instructions. We just moved some of the high volume work to another building. I believe we qualify for the "Corporate Scheme" but it is my understanding that each plant has to be issued its own certificate of registration. Does that mean that each plant will be audited separately and will have to have its own registration?
 

LRE67

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Yes
The corporate scheme is for those who have a uniform QMS
See this document Release of Rules 4th Edition and Removal of Manufacturing Site Extension
Both plants operate under the same Quality Management System. We are a metal machining company (turning, milling, grinding, gear cutting, etc.). Plant #1 is the main plant. Machines were moved to Plant #2 to just do some initial turning operations. The parts are then brought back to Plant#1 for subsequent operations and this is where they are shipped out of. If I am understanding this correctly, our audit expenses will now be increased just because we moved some machines to a different building. It's begining to sound more like a money making scheme than a value added service.
 

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In this case the CBs have been required to work like this by the IATF.
The IATF are "raising the bar" and adjusting the way the CBs work to fit into their vision.
They are now monitoring the number of NCs given and analysing the numbers / audit and investigating those who are substantially lower than the norm.
They are analysing the difference between witness and non witness audits and then using this data to investigate auditors.
Another example of the changes is that all travel receipts (no matter who paid them) are now part of the audit record. This is due to the fact that there have been incidents of auditors not being on site when they claimed that they were.
Travel times are being audited by them to the audit plan.

It might be a money making scheme but it is not at the initiative of the CBs
 
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