Need to resubmit PPAP for products using GE materials?

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Paul N

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We have recently been advised that ownership of GE Plastics has changed to SABIC Innnovative Plastics. As number of our part drawings specifically reference GE materials, by name and manufacturer,we wondering if there is a need to revise our drawings and resubmit PPAP, which will be a major and costly task.

As GE plastics have wide application in the auto industry, we are very interested in the consensus on required action, if any.
 
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Howard Atkins

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What a question!!

Have the new owners changed the reference numbers?

I would think that the actual ownership is not important
 

Marc

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I would think that the actual ownership is not important
Depends upon the customer requirements. Admittedly it's been almost 20 years ago, but I did some work for a company that was making gaskets for the US Air Force. The print called out a supplier name and the suppliers' compound name. The gasket supplier closed up shop and the Air Force would not accept a substitute until a new suppliers' material underwent full testing (a 6 month proposition which included accelerated life tests and such).

In this case I doubt it would make a difference, but I wouldn't automatically assume there won't be an issue.
 

Helmut Jilling

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We have recently been advised that ownership of GE Plastics has changed to SABIC Innnovative Plastics. As number of our part drawings specifically reference GE materials, by name and manufacturer,we wondering if there is a need to revise our drawings and resubmit PPAP, which will be a major and costly task.

As GE plastics have wide application in the auto industry, we are very interested in the consensus on required action, if any.

The final authority would be your customer. But, I would say the important question is whether the new owners change the material properties. The name alone should not be an issue. That can change over time when other revisions are made. But, as Marc points out, some customers may have a different expectation. Get their approval, if you can.
 
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Bigfoot

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The final authority would be your customer.
But, I would say the important question is whether the new owners change the material properties. The name alone should not be an issue. That can change over time when other revisions are made. But, as Marc points out, some customers may have a different expectation. Get their approval, if you can.
This is absolutely correct and very sound advice. Pursue this discussion with your Customer. One point of contention may be in whose drawing it is that specifies this material. You have implied that your company is responsible for the drawings that you mentioned revising. Several past Customers allowed the company I worked for at the time to create, revise, & maintain complete sets of the component drawings for some rather bulky assemblies, but they were referenced on the final assy. drawing, hence they became a part of their design record. A revision to one of them advanced the final assy drawing a rev. level and Yes PPAP was expected, which by the letter of the PPAP manual would be appropriate. Best to approach your Customer with some form of verification of the material being the same / comparable to the GE product (Testing results for GE v. SABIC is a good place to start) and request a level 1 warrant only PPAP, if there have been no issues in the past with material performance. :)
 

Marc

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The proper way to proceed is to get the print changed. If you don't, someone has to get a waiver, deviation or other appropriate authorization from the customer. As discussed above, at that point whether PPAP (full or partial) is necessary is a decision the customer has to make.
 
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Umang Vidyarthi

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Irrespective of all analogies,customer reigns supreme,and his verdict is final.
Take it,or leave it;without any iffs & butts. :cool:
 
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