New AS9101 - The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release - IAQG9101 standard

kiwisfly

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Attached is a draft of the new AS9101 that is now out for comment. It is very different so I look forward to a lively discussion about its merits on this thread. The main changes are summarised below. Perhaps one of the moderators can summarise the comments or forward the thread as our consolidated contribution to its review.

Main Changes:

  • No scoring.
  • For the first certification an initial on site audit is requested in 2 stages :
    [1.]Check ‘on site’ of the QMS documentation and determination of the scope, request of customers feedback/complaints, focus on availability of performance information and continual improvement,
    [2.]Full on site audit.
  • For all the audits the CBs must review and take into account the customers feedback (through OASIS) and customer satisfaction.
  • New checklist contains specific aerospace situations (documents, records, procedures, etc) to look for during on-site audits.
  • Improved link with Product quality, On Time Delivery and processes:
    [1.]Using actual product example during system audit
    [2.]Use product quality and OTD performance measurement to focus audit on under performing processes

Happy reading! :yes:
 

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DannyK

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Re: New AS9101

Thanks for the draft AS9101. I briefly scanned the document and belive that the changes will be embraced by most auditors and customers.

The current checklist is very labor intensive. I usually spend about 2 hours off site preparing the checklist with some of the information is not so important.

The proposed AS9101 hoefully will provide more value-added feedback to the customer.


Danny
 

howste

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

Yesterday the AS9101 Rev D ballot draft was distributed for review. I'll try to post a summary as time permits.
 
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LarryCP

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

Personally I liked the older version, at least from a checklist perspective. For me it really helped me drill down to pertinent issues.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

Personally I liked the older version, at least from a checklist perspective. For me it really helped me drill down to pertinent issues.
Most AEA's that I know despise the current 9101 document, because it is a hindrance to true process based audits. And that is the main reason for the checklist to be abolished.

The goal is for auditors to delve into the actual organization's processes, not a checklist.
 

howste

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

With AS9101 in it's current form I end up auditing with a process sheet, then I have to go back and fill in the checklist later. For me it's a complete waste of time.
 

barb butrym

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

I'm with Sidney, I like it. I was doing process audits for ages anyway, so it suits me. I'd do my processa audits then have to go back to the checklist and fill it out from my notes. Did that over lunch mostly. It was a good tool to make sure I covered everything....but I hate the scoring
:2cents:
 
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patrickruan

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

I have a question to ask sidney, my company has not Aero customer now, can we certify AS9100?
 

Sidney Vianna

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Re: New AS9101-The Coordination Draft. Not the Official Release

The latest draft of 9101 Rev.D has been posted for comments (not balloting) in the private part of the AAQG website. I anticipate many comments will be offered to the draft of the requirement. While the new 9101 will change the audit game, mandating auditors to evaluate and report on processes and system effectiveness, a new host of appendices were developed to support the conformance aspect of the audit.

The new 9101 (as is) will require significant better planning and post audit reporting time. To the best of my knowledge, the pilot exercise(s) did not use all of the forms the auditors will be required to complete.
 

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