New AS9120 Questions - Distributor - Is 7.5.1 applicable?

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ACEQuality

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Hello Everyone!!

We have been registered AS9100 for the last 6 years but we are currently switching to the AS9120 because it is more suitable for this company. We are a distributor only, we do no production or service (at least i think, depending on how it is defined).
So that brings me to my question, 7.5.1, is it applicable? We bring parts in, label them and ship them out. We also do a small amount of kitting. We provide a service, but is service in the standard defined as servicing? Thank You.
 
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Also while going through this, I dont see any First Article requirements. In our old AS9100 manual we stated as a distributor we do provide FAI. That being said and since the Purchase Order calls out for it, do i pass this requirement down to my vendor? I know these are all questions that are probably first hand knowledge and I am sorry to waste some peoples time, but I am in crunch time and wanted to see if i could get these few things cleared up. Thanks!
 

Big Jim

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I believe that you cannot claim 7.5.1 as an exclusion.

AS9120 is a bit unique in that it lists what you cac claim for an exclusion. 7.5.1 isn't in the list.

Further, as a distributor or "stockist distributor" your product is distribution. This distribution must take place under controlled conditions.
 

howste

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Also while going through this, I dont see any First Article requirements. In our old AS9100 manual we stated as a distributor we do provide FAI. That being said and since the Purchase Order calls out for it, do i pass this requirement down to my vendor? I know these are all questions that are probably first hand knowledge and I am sorry to waste some peoples time, but I am in crunch time and wanted to see if i could get these few things cleared up. Thanks!
AS9120 does not have first article requirements. However if your customer requires it, and you accept the order, then you need to do it anyway. In any case where the customer doesn't require a first article, you don't.

I believe that you cannot claim 7.5.1 as an exclusion.

AS9120 is a bit unique in that it lists what you cac claim for an exclusion. 7.5.1 isn't in the list.
I disagree. The requirements for exclusion (clause 1.2) are the same as in AS9100. The difference is that in AS9120 clause 1.1 it states that 7.1, 7.3, and 7.5.2 are always excluded.

Further, as a distributor or "stockist distributor" your product is distribution. This distribution must take place under controlled conditions.
Agreed. In this case it's service provision. It could also be splitting packages into smaller quantities or repackaging, if that's done by the company.
 
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ACEQuality

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First off, thank you all for responding, I just dont have anyone here in this small company to bounce these questions off of.


AS9120 does not have first article requirements. However if your customer requires it, and you accept the order, then you need to do it anyway. In any case where the customer doesn't require a first article, you don't.
If we were to accept an order requiring the FAI, and our manual says we do not perform FAI, then would I then pass this requirement down to the manufacturer, or would I be required to perform the FAI. My understanding of FAI is that on the first run of the part must list materials, technical data (were applicable), and test data. All information we, as a distributor, would not have. If we were required, I assume we could list physical characteristics matched to the drawing?

Thanks again.
 
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raybor

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FAI goes much deeper than simple physical characteristics. It verifies all processes, certifications, receiving of primary part, handling, production, testing, packaging, etc., etc.. Basically from "input to output" (final product). I have found that most major component suppliers will willingly forward FAI authorization and documentation when requested. So, as a distributer, just ask them. I hope that they have a positive answer.
 
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ACEQuality

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Thats what I would assume since we as the distributor have no idea where the raw materials came from or functionality of the part. That is something only the manufacturer would know. Our large customers require first article at times and want us to provide it and we would just pass this request down to the manufacturer. Though we have run into a customer that wanted our company's FAI which after several weeks back and forth we just couldnt provide. That is why I had asked if literally we could even complete such a document. Thanks guys for your responses.
 
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