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Does anyone know about a new draft version for OHSAS 18001???
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A date for release of the next revision of OHSAS 18001 is not established yet. Once OHSAS 18001:200X gets close to revision, the work to revise OHSAS 18002 will start.
Yes. A revision to OHSAS 18001 is underway. A committee is collecting all the suggested changes to the documents with a deadline of June 1st for submission. Working Draft 1, dated January 31, 06 is the latest draft available. One of the goals for the revision is to better align OHSAS 18001 with the ISO 14001:2004 version.climber said:
A date for release of the next revision of OHSAS 18001 is not established yet. Once OHSAS 18001:200X gets close to revision, the work to revise OHSAS 18002 will start.
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tyker
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
I'm not very good at posting links so, if this doesn't work, don't shout.
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will get you to a free download of the latest working draft of OHSAS 18001.
I'm not very good at posting links so, if this doesn't work, don't shout.
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will get you to a free download of the latest working draft of OHSAS 18001.
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Great find. One thing that I don't understand and maybe our BSi liaison, Mr. Randall Daily, could explain is the apparent over abundance of standards on the subject. Besides the ANSI Z10 document, the Canadian document (whatever designation it is), the UPCOMING OHSAS 18001:2007, it looks like BSi alone has 2 other documents: BS8800:2004 and a (yet to be released) BS 18001:2007. See attached.:mg: And let's not forget OHSAS 18002, which is a Guidance document.
Great find. One thing that I don't understand and maybe our BSi liaison, Mr. Randall Daily, could explain is the apparent over abundance of standards on the subject. Besides the ANSI Z10 document, the Canadian document (whatever designation it is), the UPCOMING OHSAS 18001:2007, it looks like BSi alone has 2 other documents: BS8800:2004 and a (yet to be released) BS 18001:2007. See attached.:mg: And let's not forget OHSAS 18002, which is a Guidance document.
Randy
Super Moderator
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
The 30 November Draft is the one I mentioned a while back ( I can't remember the exact post). There was initial Draft earlier in the year that had a ton of comments and recommended changes which many of us contributed to. This 30 November Draft will probably be as the one that winds up being published unless some real heavy comments or recommendation come in to the working group (BSI, DNV, NSAI and all the others).
The BS 8800:2004 is a Guidance Document for OHSMS that originally came out in 1996. It was from BS 8800 and ISO 14001 that OHSAS 18001:1999 and OHSAS 18002:2000 came about. We give every student who attends one of our 18001 based courses a copy of BS 8800:2004 to use a reference along with copies of 18001 & 18002 (auditor course students also get a copy of ISO 19011:2002).
From what I have been led to believe (and was not denied by representatives of the Z10 Committee at the 2004 ASSE Convention in Las Vegas) the proliferation of OHS "Standards" by ANSI/AIHA and the Canadian counterpart came about after ANSI and others told the ISO that an OHS Standard would not be accepted in the good old "US of A" because there were too many standards, buisness would not accept it, organized labor would oppose it, blah, blah, blah. The ANSI Z10 has fallen flat on it's asz up to now as far as I am personally concerned. I have heard that the Canadian Z1000 has gained more acceptance but neither one is matching 18001 in its acceptance on an international basis.
If I'm incorrect on anything I'll appologize now. I'm on some sinus meds and my eysight and brain are fuzzy.
BTW...where does this Mr Randall Daily stuff come from? I'm just me, crazy old Randy
The 30 November Draft is the one I mentioned a while back ( I can't remember the exact post). There was initial Draft earlier in the year that had a ton of comments and recommended changes which many of us contributed to. This 30 November Draft will probably be as the one that winds up being published unless some real heavy comments or recommendation come in to the working group (BSI, DNV, NSAI and all the others).
The BS 8800:2004 is a Guidance Document for OHSMS that originally came out in 1996. It was from BS 8800 and ISO 14001 that OHSAS 18001:1999 and OHSAS 18002:2000 came about. We give every student who attends one of our 18001 based courses a copy of BS 8800:2004 to use a reference along with copies of 18001 & 18002 (auditor course students also get a copy of ISO 19011:2002).
From what I have been led to believe (and was not denied by representatives of the Z10 Committee at the 2004 ASSE Convention in Las Vegas) the proliferation of OHS "Standards" by ANSI/AIHA and the Canadian counterpart came about after ANSI and others told the ISO that an OHS Standard would not be accepted in the good old "US of A" because there were too many standards, buisness would not accept it, organized labor would oppose it, blah, blah, blah. The ANSI Z10 has fallen flat on it's asz up to now as far as I am personally concerned. I have heard that the Canadian Z1000 has gained more acceptance but neither one is matching 18001 in its acceptance on an international basis.
If I'm incorrect on anything I'll appologize now. I'm on some sinus meds and my eysight and brain are fuzzy.
BTW...where does this Mr Randall Daily stuff come from? I'm just me, crazy old Randy
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Thanks to the distinguished gentleman from Arkansas. However I humbly submit to your consideration that the coexistence of OHSAS 18001:2007 and BS 18001:2007, as well as BS8800 and OHSAS 18002 seem redundant and confusing to the OHS professionals around the World.
Thanks to the distinguished gentleman from Arkansas. However I humbly submit to your consideration that the coexistence of OHSAS 18001:2007 and BS 18001:2007, as well as BS8800 and OHSAS 18002 seem redundant and confusing to the OHS professionals around the World.
Randy
Super Moderator
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Not confusing to those that choose to read the inside of the front and back cover pages as well as the acknowledgements. The relationship is actually part of the course info in our 18K lead course and the non-accredited courses.
From everything I have been told (internally that is) the 2007 version is in DRAFT only, I have had it a week or 2. Until final acceptance 18001:1999 is the deal. That's not to say the wheels aren't in motion, I'm actually being required to incorporate proposed changes (for discussion only) in an onsite course in Jan 2007, so I have to get up to speed myself.
What are your sources telling you Sid?
Not confusing to those that choose to read the inside of the front and back cover pages as well as the acknowledgements. The relationship is actually part of the course info in our 18K lead course and the non-accredited courses.
From everything I have been told (internally that is) the 2007 version is in DRAFT only, I have had it a week or 2. Until final acceptance 18001:1999 is the deal. That's not to say the wheels aren't in motion, I'm actually being required to incorporate proposed changes (for discussion only) in an onsite course in Jan 2007, so I have to get up to speed myself.
What are your sources telling you Sid?
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Randy, two posts in a row that you used to plug in your courses.
Don't be so blatant...
Just give a straight answer. Why should we have an OHSAS 18001:2007 AND a BS 18001:2007? Why should we have a BS8800 AND OHSAS 18002?
Randy, two posts in a row that you used to plug in your courses.
Don't be so blatant... Just give a straight answer. Why should we have an OHSAS 18001:2007 AND a BS 18001:2007? Why should we have a BS8800 AND OHSAS 18002?
Randy
Super Moderator
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Sorry about the plugs, I misunderstood....
BS 18001:2007 and OHSAS 18001:2007 essentially will be the same document. BS will be a British National Standard and OHSAS 18001:2007 will be the International version. If an appropriate National Standards body desires to make the OHSAS version a National Standard they may of course do so.
The 8800 I think will be available as a generic guidance on how to establish an OHS and 18002 will be specifically directed towards supporting 18001. BS 8800 may also be superceded by 18002, but I'm not sure about that.
I commented to my group contact that incorporatiing the guidance information from 18002 into 18001 like the Z10 has would be a nice touch....No go on that!
Ya gotta understand, what those guys in the UK are doing is 39 echelons above and seperate from me and in a totally different organization from Management Systems organization I belong to.
Sorry about the plugs, I misunderstood....
BS 18001:2007 and OHSAS 18001:2007 essentially will be the same document. BS will be a British National Standard and OHSAS 18001:2007 will be the International version. If an appropriate National Standards body desires to make the OHSAS version a National Standard they may of course do so.
The 8800 I think will be available as a generic guidance on how to establish an OHS and 18002 will be specifically directed towards supporting 18001. BS 8800 may also be superceded by 18002, but I'm not sure about that.
I commented to my group contact that incorporatiing the guidance information from 18002 into 18001 like the Z10 has would be a nice touch....No go on that!
Ya gotta understand, what those guys in the UK are doing is 39 echelons above and seperate from me and in a totally different organization from Management Systems organization I belong to.
B
BSMITH
Re: OHSAS 18001 New version???
Let's not forget about the ANAB role in all of this confusion. ANAB was to roll out an ANSI Z10 registrar certification pilot program about a year ago and they put that on hold. According to ANAB, there are no ANAB accredited ANSI Z10 certificates, but some "unaccredited" ones have been issued. I learned this while having my ISO 14001 surveillance audit witnessed by ANAB several months ago. If you compare ANSI Z10 and OHSAS 18001, they are basically very similar.
Now if we could just trash all of these OH&S standards and just have one ISO standard..... (maybe in my lifetime).
Brent Smith
The 30 November Draft is the one I mentioned a while back ( I can't remember the exact post). There was initial Draft earlier in the year that had a ton of comments and recommended changes which many of us contributed to. This 30 November Draft will probably be as the one that winds up being published unless some real heavy comments or recommendation come in to the working group (BSI, DNV, NSAI and all the others).
The BS 8800:2004 is a Guidance Document for OHSMS that originally came out in 1996. It was from BS 8800 and ISO 14001 that OHSAS 18001:1999 and OHSAS 18002:2000 came about. We give every student who attends one of our 18001 based courses a copy of BS 8800:2004 to use a reference along with copies of 18001 & 18002 (auditor course students also get a copy of ISO 19011:2002).
From what I have been led to believe (and was not denied by representatives of the Z10 Committee at the 2004 ASSE Convention in Las Vegas) the proliferation of OHS "Standards" by ANSI/AIHA and the Canadian counterpart came about after ANSI and others told the ISO that an OHS Standard would not be accepted in the good old "US of A" because there were too many standards, buisness would not accept it, organized labor would oppose it, blah, blah, blah. The ANSI Z10 has fallen flat on it's asz up to now as far as I am personally concerned. I have heard that the Canadian Z1000 has gained more acceptance but neither one is matching 18001 in its acceptance on an international basis.
If I'm incorrect on anything I'll appologize now. I'm on some sinus meds and my eysight and brain are fuzzy.
BTW...where does this Mr Randall Daily stuff come from? I'm just me, crazy old Randy
Let's not forget about the ANAB role in all of this confusion. ANAB was to roll out an ANSI Z10 registrar certification pilot program about a year ago and they put that on hold. According to ANAB, there are no ANAB accredited ANSI Z10 certificates, but some "unaccredited" ones have been issued. I learned this while having my ISO 14001 surveillance audit witnessed by ANAB several months ago. If you compare ANSI Z10 and OHSAS 18001, they are basically very similar.
Now if we could just trash all of these OH&S standards and just have one ISO standard..... (maybe in my lifetime).
Brent Smith
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