No Internal Audits For Upcoming IATF Trans Audit

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Guys, I think I am going to be fired...My IATF Transition audit is 11/29/17 - 12/1/17, I do not have a 2017 internal audit schedule and I do not have any of my audits completed. We have lost a lot of key people including our lead auditor and a quality manager who managed the QMS... I do have some people on my staff 3rd party IATF internal auditor trained...A I going to lose my ISO/TS certification Because of this? HELP PLEASE HELP!
 

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Guys, I think I am going to be fired...My IATF Transition audit is 11/29/17 - 12/1/17, I do not have a 2017 internal audit schedule and I do not have any of my audits completed. We have lost a lot of key people including our lead auditor and a quality manager who managed the QMS... I do have some people on my staff 3rd party IATF internal auditor trained...A I going to lose my ISO/TS certification Because of this? HELP PLEASE HELP!
Yes you are. Didn't you have to provide audit results as part of your pre-audit documentation? Internal audits are really a prerequisite to the certification audit. Your best bet is to get started today. Good luck.
 

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Guys, I think I am going to be fired...My IATF Transition audit is 11/29/17 - 12/1/17, I do not have a 2017 internal audit schedule and I do not have any of my audits completed. We have lost a lot of key people including our lead auditor and a quality manager who managed the QMS... I do have some people on my staff 3rd party IATF internal auditor trained...A I going to lose my ISO/TS certification Because of this? HELP PLEASE HELP!
Do an internal audit next week! Plenty of places only do one internal audit a year and that's been acceptable for a CB auditor (even if it's non-conforming to the standard!). If you do a process based audit you'll cover at least 60% of the requirements. Add in some of the other things which are new and you'll be golden!
 

Ian_Morris

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I would suggest it is a one time solution but here goes:

1 Record the lack of audits and audit schedule as a non compliance and carry out the CA process.
2 Arrange as many audits as possible between now and the date of your visit.
3 Draw up and approve with management the plan for next year.
4 :cfingers:

Complete all of the above and make sure that next years plan is carried out and completed.

This may be enough for the auditor to raise as a minor instead of a major, but expect them to be all over it at your next audit, hence the one time solution comment.

As an aside, unless the situation is of your own making is it wise to have a long term career planned out for an organisation that would fire you for a situation that you had no control over.

Good luck. :2cents:
 

AndyN

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Do an internal audit next week! Plenty of places only do one internal audit a year and that's been acceptable for a CB auditor (even if it's non-conforming to the standard!). If you do a process based audit you'll cover at least 60% of the requirements. Add in some of the other things which are new and you'll be golden!
I'd suggest (from the CBs pov) that this is STILL a major. Yes, there's a (small) part of corrective action in place (why not just do an internal audit?) which recognizes the situation, but the fact remains: No IAs done = major.
 
#6
Good Afternoon Everyone,
Just a quick followup to say thank you for the suggestions and advice...we survived the the transition audit. 3 NCs and 6 ncs...not pretty but very workable...as expected the internal audits were going to be an issue that we knew would be a problem going in. The other 2 NCs were stupid blunders on our part. A corrective action was not fully implemented as described and was identified during a production process audit by the Auditor and we were missing the 2nd party terminology in our Purchasing/Supplier Quality procedure. A little more attention to the details would have prevented these 2 NCs.
The Big takeaway, we are ISO/TS 16949 certified and we have now been for the last several months trying to role over and convert all our documentation (procedures, quality manual, work instructions, etc...) to line up with all the clause nomenclature of the new IATF 16949 standard. What we realize is that we should have simply addressed only the differences between the 2 standards which is only maybe 20% of our ISO/TS QMS. A simple matrix lining up the 80% of the ISO/TS clauses addressed in our documentation to those of the IATF clauses would have been adequate. We were literally trying to role over the entire QMS.
We have a very good but very tough registrar/auditor who was very helpful in clarifying and explaining what is necessary for the transition process and communicated that this same mistake is being made by many companies trying to transform their entire QMS instead of addressing the few new additions and updates from the IATF to their ISO/TS QMS.
Well I have some corrective actions to do and we will be getting a followup on the 18th of January, but we should be in pretty good shape.

Again, thanks for the input and feedback.
 
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