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dmcgriff

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Hello Cove,
I am trying to mark off a non-conforming area. Some places where I have worked at have the floor taped off or painted to show the different non-conforming area. I would like to use moveable/portable cones that have plastic chains attached. That way I can close or open the non-conforming area as it grows or shrinks and not waste valuable floor space. Does anyone know where I can buy these cones and chains from? Any internet sites? Also if any other member use these instead of the permanent markings for non conforming areas I would love to hear your setup. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dexter
 
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Re: Non-Conforming Holding area

I would also suggest your local hardware center. But, the question you are going to get asked by a registrar is "how do you control that?".

How do you ensure that nobody is going to move the cones? What if something happens and the cones get knocked down? How will you ensure that someone doesn't put them back but not get them in ther right spot, either adding material to the nonconforming area that is in truth conforming, or excluding nonconforming product so it appears conforming?
 
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Re: Non-Conforming Holding area

I would also suggest your local hardware center. But, the question you are going to get asked by a registrar is "how do you control that?".

How do you ensure that nobody is going to move the cones? What if something happens and the cones get knocked down? How will you ensure that someone doesn't put them back but not get them in ther right spot, either adding material to the nonconforming area that is in truth conforming, or excluding nonconforming product so it appears conforming?
Seriously, Steel? Those are the kind of questions being asked? O.M.G!:mg:

I'd be escorting the auditor to the door at that stage...

I completely fail to see the relevance of those questions (or similar) to the needs for control of sub-standard parts...
 
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shaggy1812 - 2011

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Re: Non-Conforming Holding area

We used a pallet painted red. That way we could move it anywhere. We just noted it our NCP documentation.
 

SteelMaiden

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Re: Non-Conforming Holding area

I'm not really sure if I understand your surprise, Andy. :lol:

In my experience, you'll get asked all kinds of questions, some of which are not so much real potential problems, but more to get you talking. But, yes, in the past when using a "movable barrier" type containment system, we've been asked similar questions. (this while working at a different division)
 
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Re: Non-Conforming Holding area

I'm not really sure if I understand your surprise, Andy. :lol:

In my experience, you'll get asked all kinds of questions, some of which are not so much real potential problems, but more to get you talking. But, yes, in the past when using a "movable barrier" type containment system, we've been asked similar questions. (this while working at a different division)
Good grief! If I wanted to get you talking, I wouldn't be wasting time asking things like that...this isn't '20 Questions'...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Questions
 
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tomvehoski

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If a movable barrier is the only method of identification, it is a valid question to ask how do you prevent unauthorized or accidental movement of the barrier. If it is not the only method of identification, do you really need cones and ropes?

I worry much more about identifying the product containers themselves, along with implementing computer controls that prevent the product being issued - I can't ship it if it is not in the right inventory location in the computer. I have a painted off hold area and a couple shelves set aside. Typically the hold area ends up a parking spot for the hi-lo since I try to avoid creating NC stuff in the first place, and don't keep it around long if I do.
 

Jen Kirley

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It depends on the industry. I worked for a Boeing supplier, in which we had an area fenced in like a dog kennel, with a padlocked gate. Now, in automotive semiconductor, we have the same kind of setup.

But those are the extremes. You mentioned the minimum. Somewhere in between lies your answer. It depends on:
  • What your customer wants
  • How likely it is that something in there might be removed for use by mistake or what
  • How closely you want to keep track of something you want to take issue with your supplier about - cost, size, how urgent is the issue
So you see, as usual I can make even simple things complex. :D
 

SteelMaiden

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Andy, you're so funny!:lmao: I didn't really mean to imply that all the auditors would ask questions in fully automatic fire method!:notme: Just that a person would get questions of that type. :) Hey, but I have met some that would use the rapid fire method to daze and confuse, but those were never by an auditor for a registrar, only customer auditors or sometimes their hired consultants.
 
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