Number of Audit Days - AS9100D Transition for a Small Shop

dsanabria

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The requirements from the SR003 document stipulate:


As you can see, the IAQG proposed process is not a trivial exercise. If CB's are not on top of the scheduling function and allow their auditors to make determinations that impact conformance to IAQG established requirements, registrants might be "blissfully at risk", without even realizing it.

Allowing auditors to make critical decisions about the certification program is just another example of how some CB's cut costs, but detract from the overall goal of the ICOP Scheme.
Sidney;

A CB in Troy Michigan wants to charge 3.0 days for an upgrade in a S2 Surveillance from AS9100C to AS9100D for a 5 person shop. Is that the going rate?

Most CB are charging .5 days off site and .5 days for upgrade and 1 day for audit.

I am the consultant for his company and I am challenging this CB.

What are my options.

Thanks
 
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Golfman25

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Re: Working for multiple CB's (Certification Bodies)

3 days for a 5 person shop? No thank you.

That's what makes these schemes ridiculous. Waste of time and money, imo.
 

Sidney Vianna

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I moved the last 2 posts from another thread as they were :topic:

My old AS9104-1 listed two auditor-days for an AS9100C re-certification audit for an organization with 5 employees. If you think the CB is gouging the customer, ask THEM to justify the auditor-days. As always, "shopping around" let you check if their quote is competitive, or not.

But, remember, the table in AS9014-1 is just a starting point. CB's are expected to adjust (i.e. increase) the number of audit days based on a number of factors, including past experience with the organization.

Commoditization of accredited certification comes back to bite many people, including aerospace auditors and consultants, who see their income potential seriously impacted by the "shopping around" mind set.
 
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Re: Working for multiple CB's (Certification Bodies)

3 days for a 5 person shop? No thank you.

That's what makes these schemes ridiculous. Waste of time and money, imo.
I am in process of finishing my re-cert for 29 man machine shop (sitting with the auditor now).... 6 DAY!!!! 6 DAMN DAYS!!!! We've haven't been doing not much of anything for the past 3 days.
 
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