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OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Now it is! March 2018

Randy

Super Moderator
#21
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

But I have curiosity:
- Which is the topicality of the ANSI Z10 standard in the USA since its creation?
- It is not widley or used in the United States because OHSAS 18001 is the most widley used and recognized standard on the planet for 3rd party certifications in particular

Did you take part in his creation?
Yes, to a small degree but nothing to brag about, just some comments. The Z10 document was the primary creation of the AIHA (the American Industrial Hygeine Association, a contributor to OHSAS 18001 as well and in conjunction with the American National Standards Institute, therefore it is an American Standard, just as Z1000 is Canadian). The chair of the Z10 committe was a person who managed me when I was with ITT INdustries in EHS - Dr. Alan Liebowitz


- How this US standard is accomodated? (does it developed in US?)
This was answered above I think. As to the use of it.....very minor from what I have seen, heard and experienced...A fraction of a percentage point if I had to guess.


- Do companies pass from the OHSMS british standard to the OHSMS US standard?
Not that I have seen. Normally a company elects to go by the 18001 standard without considering it to be a British Standard. Why? Because the fact that it is a BS is irrelevant to them. OHSAS 18001 has been adopted in some countries as the national standard for them for OHS managemnt purposes...You need to avoid confusing management with compliance by the way, they are 2 different and distinct creatures. I have yet to see a company use both the Z10 and 18001 even though they could very easily do so and achieve 3rd party certification attesting to that fact.

You may not fully inderstand that a management system standard does not tell an organization how to manage health & safety, environment, quality or whatever else, the standard just provides information related to what has been identified as the minimum elements neccessary to be able to do so effectively. The organization always has the ability to say how they will do what they need to do.

You English is fine;)
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#22
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Is there a correlation somewhere between having OHSAS 18001 or ANSI Z10 implemented and the lowering of Total Recordable Incident Rates?:frust:
Not that anyone is making public, but I have seen it and personally experienced it in a program I managed a few years back.
 
#24
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Good night everybody !

I will undoubtedly continue this discussion later but just a remark about the names used to quote the british OHSMS standards ("8800, 18001, 18002"): to avoid possible confusion between (e.g.) “18001” and the references ISO 9001 ou 14001 (confusion wich maintains easily the error to believe that "18001" would be "ISO 18001"…) we should not only name it “18001” but always quote it with its complete name “BS OHSAS 18001” (it is righter, it is more professional). You don't think so ?

Cordially.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#25
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Naaaaaaaaa, real professional in management system know the difference
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#26
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Is there a correlation somewhere between having OHSAS 18001 or ANSI Z10 implemented and the lowering of Total Recordable Incident Rates?:frust:
In the companies I work with, I generally see an improvement in safety rates, if they are serious about working their programs. But, often they were pretty good already, they just used the program to make it better.
 
#27
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Hello.

I agree with you Helmut. The genuine engine of progress it is the vision and the engagement of the top management (with or without formal “system”). It is besides why this vision (the policy) and engagement (e.g. by providing and organizing the necessary resources) are the head of the of our management system models. These models are only the tool of the top management, they produce only what one does: “the bad workman blames his tools”.

I agree with you Randy too, real professional in management system know the difference between standards even with incomplete quotation. But a forum is practised by two kinds of Net surfers : “neophytes” who seek informations and answers, and “specialists” who can bring them. To help the first I think that the seconds must allwaus use the good concepts, to employ the good vocabulary, and (e.g.) to quote exact references of standards (particularly if there is a risk of ambiguity about the source of these standards as we know).

Best regards.
 
J

JCVP1969

#28
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Not presently an ISO Standard but watch this space! Many organisations in the Far East are using it as their Health and Safety Standard and here in the UK you are increasingly being asked for some sort of SMS (Safety Management Standard) just if you were about to ask about text messaging! ;)

I am suprised it has not taken off more in the USA with the litigious culture but hey you are the lucky ones then!!
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#29
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

I am suprised it has not taken off more in the USA

What do you base this on? Do you really want to try and guess how much time I spend on 18001 here in the US either training or doing audits? Not only is it in wide use in industry but US Government organizations like NASA and the Army are using it as well.
 
#30
Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Hi !

Do somebody knows why in the USA, Americain companies, but US Government organizations too, prefer to use an OHSMS British standard, rather than an American standard (ANSI/AIHA Z10 available since 2005) ?

Don't the advisers, consultants or the specialists about management systems make promotion on the OHSMS US standard ? Don't they ensure informations about ANSI/AIHA Z10 standard ? (instead of BS OHSAS 18001)

Cordially.

PS, all, please use the right standard names.
 
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