OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Now it is! March 2018

Randy

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Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Wow, this has been fun:notme:

My answer back about my lack of enthusiasm with the Z10 has been and is this...out of the hundreds of people I meet and talk with every year and since the Z10 was published in 2005 the grand total interest with Z10 that I have seen and heard is -0-, zero, none, nichts, nada...there is little to no interest with Z10 in the USA that has come my way. On the other hand interest in and use of 18001 in the US and globally is on the increase. The money, time and emphasis is going to go where the interest is. This has nothing to do with my employer, the title of the document or who prints it.
 
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Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Does anyone have a template for a gap analysis for 18001?

Would love to take a look.

Sarah
 

Randy

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Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Hey, welcome:bigwave:

Template? Yep, it's called turning the shalls into questions....

The organization shall... = Has the organization....?

That's all anybody does, including CB's
 
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Re: BS OHSAS 18001 is not an ISO standard...!

Hi Paul !

Nice to continue our exchange.

“Sometimes my posts may be read implying more than I probably mean”, undoubtedly also because my English level is not subtle enough (and contrary it obstructs me to well understanding your subtleties of language).

In connection with your sentence “Nobody is putting ILO - OSH forward for certification as it is guidance - not requirements. Full stop - period - point! “: my 1rst objective as specialist about H&S prevention is H&S employees, the 1rst objective of an OHSM too. I inevitably use obligatory tools (legal standards) but also of the no-obligatory tools (standards of voluntary application). Among the seconds there are particularly the OHSMS. I compare them and I choose which one seems me the best. I observe two important points (to answer you):
1- none of these standards contains certification requirement (certification is an added accessory, plated, on the system, but is not a structural element).
2- all these standards are exclusively councils contrary to the legal standards they are only of volunteers application (verbs conjugation don’t change anything with that).
(3- moreover CB can practise ILO-OSH certification)

I ask you to consider item 2 well: no standard of management system (except if it were legal!) has really authority to impose requirements* to the company managers. Consequently saying “shall” or “should” don’t have any importance to help the companies to use well such or such council (on this point ILO-OSH is more realistic and respectful of company mangement). In both cases, what is important is the quality of elements of the management system proposed to us. The companies can use different models of OHSMS, so I think whereas external consultants should enrich their offer and their councils with the companies compared to these various standards existing (the international one or the different nationals which are developed) instead of proposing only the British one as it is often the case. * Accepted guidance or volontary requirements… which real difference if legal requirements? Moreover OHSMS are not mistaken there car they recognize and use the supremacy of legal standards of our countries… (which besides often constitutes a true OHSMS as it is the case in Europe of which France).

Why I am prefering ILO-OSH? I already evoked it for example as of my message of the 1rst March, but I summarize:
- my country did not create one OHSMS standard (choosing rather ILO-OSH), then I look at all that exists elsewhere, the international standard ILO but also standards of countries around.
- comparing this international standard and the British national standard (most practised because double of ISO 14001) I note that ILO-OSH is more explicit and more professional (recall: I am H&S specialist), but other national standards are also very good (it does not have always great differences there; if ILO-OSH did not exist I would hesitate between BS 8800 and ANSI Z10…).
- ILO-OSH source (UN context) is a specialized tripartite organism (states, companies, employees), mandating precisely about working in ours companies at the international level, and thus this reference frame is more legitimate to treat OHS.
- it gives a better place to the employees and to the health aspects too (what is particularly judicious for OHS subject).
- it is the reference towards which converge national standards existing (when a country has which it or creates one).

And you Paul, which are the reasons of your HS (G) 65 preference?

Bye.
 

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Conspicuously absent from the ISO portfolio: An OHSMS Standard.

ISO standards support objectives of World Day
for Safety and Health at Work


International Standards developed by ISO for topics ranging from protective clothing and machine safety to safety signs and ergonomics support the objectives of today's World Day for Safety and Health at Work, an initiative of the International Labour Organization (ILO).
According to ILO statistics, every 15 seconds, a worker diesfrom a work-related accident or disease and 160 workers have a work-related accident. Many such accidents can be prevented by the implementation of ISO standards and this is reflected by ILO having liaison status with 35 ISO technical committees (TCs) and subcommittees (SCs).
ISO Secretary-General Rob Steele comments: "ISO's portfolio of more than 18 000 standards includes hundreds whose implementation can increase safety and promote health in the workplace. In addition to protecting workers they provide guidance for employers when making purchasing decisions as well as state-of-the-art technical detail to underpin regulations and legislation. Because they are International Standards, they help to harmonize safety and health requirements around the world and thus facilitate cross-border trade."
ISO technical committees and subcommittee whose work is particularly relevant to the concerns of the World Day for Safety and Health at Work include the following.
ISO/TC 94, Personal safety – Protective clothing and equipment develops standards which, when implemented, can ensure that protective clothing meets the level of protection needed by employees and provide guidance for purchasing managers and regulators. ISO/TC 94 has developed 97 standards and 28 countries participate in its work with another 35 as observers.
Standardization of general principles for safety of machinery incorporating terminology and methodology is the main activity of ISO/TC 199, Safety of machinery.
The main parties involved in the work are industry (manufacturers and designers), governmental health and safety bodies, national boards for occupational health and safety, public authorities, trade union confederations and employers' associations. Both the ILO and the World Health Organization have liaison status with ISO/TC 199.
ISO/TC 199 has developed 35 standards and has 27 participating countries and 23 observer countries.
The general public, workers and/or the environment can be exposed to hazardous substances in air, whether occuring naturally or released by industrial processes or household appliances and products. Therefore, the presence of these substances in air, emissions to air, and in indoor air needs to be limited. Developing standardized methods for measuring the concentration of air pollutants is the work of ISO/TC 146, Air quality,and especially of its subcommittee SC 2, Workplace atmospheres. It has developed 27 standards and has 21 participating countries and 13 observer countries.
Standardization in the field of graphical symbols is the work of ISO/TC 145/SC 2, Safety identification, signs, shapes, symbols and colours. Graphical symbols are an important means of conveying danger and safety related information in the workplace, concisely and independently of language – an important consideration in view of today's mobility of labour.ISO/TC 145/SC 2 has developed 14 standards; it has 14 participating countries and 16 observer countries.
Thestandards developed by ISO/TC 159, Ergonomics/SC 4, Ergonomics of human-system interaction, helps to meet requirements for designing work systems, work equipment, and products according to human characteristics in order to enhance the usability of these products and thus the productivity, health, safety and well-being of the operator or user. ISO/TC 159/SC 4 has developed 50 standards; 22 countries participate in its work with another 11 as observers.
Exposure of workers to intense noise or noise over long periods can lead to hearing damage and other physiological impairments. The standards developed by ISO/TC 43, Acoustic, and especially its subcommittee SC 1, Noise, can lead to lower noise exposure levels in the workplace therefore reduce the risk for hearing damage and annoyance. ISO/TC 43/SC 1 has developed 117 standards and has 25 participating countries and 18 observer countries.
ISO/TC 108, Mechanical vibration, shock and condition monitoring, and its subcommittees, particularly SC 4, Human exposure to mechanical vibration and shock, develops International Standards which can help reduce the harmful effects of vibration on humans in the workplace. These standards are also useful for the design and monitoring of workplace machinery. ISO/TC 108/SC 4 has developed 26 standards; 19 participating countries participate in its work and another 14 have observer status.
Other ISO standards with relevance to safety and health in the workplace address topics as varied as equipment for fire fighting and fire protection, welding, tractors and machinery for agriculture and forestry, competency requirements for crane inspectors, risk management in cold workplaces and new subjects such as safer ship recycling and the manufacturing and handling of nanomaterials.
 
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Hi !

An OHSMS Standard is conspicuously absent from the ISO portfolio, but present in ILO portfolio, Indeed.

At ILO-OSH project time ISO could have collaboration with ILO, but it was not done (whereas done about other subjects these last years).


It is precisely extremely interesting that these two international organizations, with specific competences, cooperate, as regards OHS in particular (technical standards, ISO 26000, world day for H&S at work, etc...).

Cordially.
 

Sidney Vianna

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There is now a possibility that the ISO TMB would vote favorably for an ISO Standard on Occupational Health & Safety Management System.

Irrespective of that, the OHSAS Project Working Group is paying close attention to the ISO 14001:2015(?) Revision work so, a future OHSAS 18001 or an equivalent ISO standard will be in line with the High Level Structure for future ISO Management System Standards.
 

Sidney Vianna

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It is now confirmed (so I heard) :tg:. ISO will take on the challenge of making the OHSAS 18001 document an ISO Management System Standard. As the document is a mature specification, very likely, it will be fast tracked, as allowed in the ISO process for developing standards and it will follow the (now mandatory) ISO High Level Structure for system standards. Question is: what will be the number for the standard? ISO 18001 is already taken....:rolleyes:
 
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