OHSAS Lead Auditor Course - What do I need to know before taking this course?

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amanbhai

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I have been selected by my company to take 5 day Lead auditor course on OHSAS. I need professionals feedback regarding what do I need to know before taking this course?
Any advice or professional help is appriciated. Thanks
 
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harry

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Re: OHSAS Lead Auditor Course - What do I need to know before taking this course.

For maximum benefit to the candidate and his organization, the 'ideal' candidate for the course should have both experience and proven competency in conducting internal audits. If that is the case, then there isn't anything that he needs to know/prepare before hand.

In practice, we know that all kinds of things can happen and sometimes, people were thrown into the deep end.
 

somashekar

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I have been selected by my company to take 5 day Lead auditor course on OHSAS. I need professionals feedback regarding what do I need to know before taking this course?
Any advice or professional help is appriciated. Thanks
1. The systamatic approach to the focus area, and in this case the focus area is the Occupational health and Occupational safety.
This is the Planning, Doing per Plan, Checking and Acting on the focus area.
2. A good reading and understanding of the OHSAS 18001 and related standards.
3. A good reading and understanding of your legal requirements associated with the aspects of occupational health and occupational safety.
4. Unbiased mind for deeper thinking of hazards and risks assessment and concern about people's health and safety matters.
5. Practical approach to any situation.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#4
I've only taught about a couple hundred or so of these and here's what I would suggest

You need to...:
Know how to show up on time

Have an open mind

Be willing to learn

Participate at your fullest

You don't need...:

To be an OHS legal expert

To be a management systems expert

To be an expert in hazard and risk analysis


And absolutely you need...:

To relax, have a good time, enjoy the opportunity, and make the most of it

Anyway after trained a few hundred people in OHSAS 18001 I may still be guessing
 

Paul Simpson

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The only two pieces of preparation you need are:
  • to know why you have been selected for the course - i.e. what does your organization want you to get from it
  • a general understanding of the standard - to be able to find your way around the clauses and know what the intent is

Most organizations providing Lead Auditor training will tell you the course isn't there to provide you with knowledge of the standard and that you should have that before you go along.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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The only two pieces of preparation you need are:
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Most organizations providing Lead Auditor training will tell you the course isn't there to provide you with knowledge of the standard and that you should have that before you go along.
That's strange, that's not what the course material says that I teach...Maybe I've been doing it wrong:confused:
 

Paul Simpson

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That's strange, that's not what the course material says that I teach...Maybe I've been doing it wrong:confused:
Thanks for butchering my post in quote Mr Moderator :D

Maybe you have been doing it wrong but in doing a bit of background research it has highlighted an interesting difference in approach between the US and at least one other site.

Picking a training provider at random :D and selecting two locations Covers might be familiar with I checked their offerings:
  • The US - RABQSA accredited course
  • The UK - it doesn't say anything about accreditation but I believe it is (or can be) IRCA
In the US apparently in the same time your experienced trainers can enable delegates to:
Understand the requirements of the BS OHSAS 18001:2007 standard
while in the UK course no such claims are made.

Just to complete the picture (don't you just hate these quality people who want to get to root cause! :tg:) I thought it would be interesting to compare what the accreditation organizations say about the courses their providers deliver. The RAB QSA criteria are here and the bit about standard is:
3.1 Standards
A student who successfully completes the course shall be able to:
3.1.1 Describe the continuing process of development of OHSMS standards and ISO 19011, the impact that these developments may have on the audit process, and the need for auditors to keep up to date;
3.1.2 Explain the intent and requirement of each clause of the relevant OHSMS standard;
3.1.3 Describe the documentation required by the relevant OHSMS standard;
3.1.4 Evaluate the differing requirements for documentation in a variety of situations and understand the difference between documents and records;
3.1.5 Identify the audit evidence needed to demonstrate conformity to the requirements of the relevant OHSMS standard;
3.1.6 Evaluate the effectiveness of an entire OHSMS;
3.1.7 Describe the difference between legal compliance and conformity with management systems standards, and the significance of these terms when conducting audits;
3.1.8 Understand occupational health and safety legislation and regulation processes, including the relationship of federal,state and local agencies, and where to obtain resource information (e.g., web sites).
IRCA, on the other hand have their course criteria here and expect the following prior knowledge:
Prior knowledge: We recommend that students have a basic knowledge of OH&S issues and the requirements of the current version of (BS) OHSAS 18001 before they start this course.
It goes on to provide similar learning outcomes.

So I'll leave it to the rest of the thread as to whether a trainer can pass on knowledge of OHSAS 18001 in a 4 or 5 day training course.

My experience of trained and 'competent' auditors tells me different.
 
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Bill Mitchell

#8
We provide a RABQSA certified course for this and the only requirements are what Randy said, "willingness to learn". Our job is to teach you the information you will need going forward. The course starts with an introduction to the standard, understanding the intent and key requirements. Once this is complete you will then learn auditing requirements etc.

Just go forth and enjoy.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#9
I had assumed that folks would understand that I had delivered RABQSA and IRCA courses having been accepted by both of those organizations as a qualified trainer and that I was been speaking in very general terms. Sorry about the "assumption" because of how I must look to others...continuing on

Also, IRCA only recommends, it doesn't mandate any understanding prior, and the training organization you identified at "random" doesn't mandate or require basic understanding either

I don't claim to be an expert and never will, but I kinda know a small bit about this subject and its evolution.

Back on track...

I've (me, personally) I've historically found the best students to be those that come in with a clean slate so to speak.
 

Sidney Vianna

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A prestigious training provider includes the following in their enrollment page for an OHSAS 18001 Lead Auditor Course:
Prerequisite

Participants should have a working knowledge of occupational health and safety management systems, environmental management systems, ISO 14001:2004, or OHSAS 18001:2007.
 
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