Outsourcing PPAP Function

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simond

#1
Has anybody used outside parties to perform PPAP's? Can you suggest any companies that specialize in this type of service?

Thanks
 
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Has anybody used outside parties to perform PPAP's? Can you suggest any companies that specialize in this type of service?

Thanks
I do not think it is a good idea. PPAP is characterized by intellectually property of the organization given that there are critical information contained in the packet, such as FMEA, Control plan, statistical data and so on.
Besides, the organization will loose the multidisciplinary approach to prepare it. I do not think customer will be satisfied in this case.
Proably you may want to have some services from a consultant to help and facilitate the activity ( also linked with APQP) but it remains on the organization side as ownership.
 
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Murphys Law

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I know of one OEM that has subcontracted it to India and treat it as a pure checklist.

The problem is that people is that they are not skilled in reviewing it and we waste a lot of time explaining things that an experienced SQE would understand.
 
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Mr.Happy

#5
Hi,

I occasionally was hired to help small machine shops to do their PPAP.
It only took me 2 or 3 contact interviews to discus the flowchart, used machines and measuring equipment to make their PPAP.
except for one or two remarks from the End customer about measuring frequency there were no problems.:nope:

Mr. Happy
 
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Howard Atkins

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Again
PPAP is a report on the APQP process.
Can you outsource planning for production-FMEA- Control plan- floor layout etc...

Where is the input coming from? You or the consultant?
Who is producing the part? You or the consultant?

Putting the documents in a binder or a file is all that PPAP is!!!
 

Kales Veggie

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#7
Hi,

I occasionally was hired to help small machine shops to do their PPAP.
It only took me 2 or 3 contact interviews to discus the flowchart, used machines and measuring equipment to make their PPAP.
except for one or two remarks from the End customer about measuring frequency there were no problems.:nope:

Mr. Happy
Sorry, you cannot "DO" PPAP. You can only "DO" APQP.

So, your client and you did it backwards: PPAP requires these documents and we will give the customer what they want.

Instead, what the correct approach is: we will analyze the part, develop the process, analyze the process, determine the risks, analyze the controls, add controls and minimize our risk and the customer risk, (of course not all steps of APQP would be required in every case).

Sloppy APQP work results either in lots of customer problems or an process that is overcontrolled and very expensive to run. Both results are not good for the organization.
 
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Mr.Happy

#8
Of course the PPAP i did was a part of the APQP but only the PPAP documents needed to be send to the customer.
In fact the responsible guys in the machine shop did most of the input but they were not familiar with the PPAP documents and also there English was not good enough.
As i stated before i did the PPAP on base of personal contact and interviews.
 
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bruceliu222

#9
Not very well strategy to outsource it as you are best owner of those critical features and specific requirements.
 
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