SBS - The best value in QMS software

Parts included/not included in ECO/ECN

R

ramack

#1
I'm new to this forum, came across it while looking for ECO/ECN info. I've started a new job about 3 months ago. One of the things that I'm in charge of is ECOs. This is a pretty small company that is fairly new and document control is pretty poor which has caused a gamut of issues. There is a PLM package that is being used, but it's really more for Sales, Work Orders/Pick Lists and inventory management. It does have an ECO/ECN module, which is pretty basic, but better than nothing.

So, with that background, a discussion arose about what I'm including in the ECO. In a nutshell, say I have an Assembly A. In that assembly, there is a Part B. There is also a Part C that is not part of the BOM and assembly. I'm substituting Part B with Part C and I've started an ECO for this change. So my question is this. What should be included in the ECO? I am including and "tagging" all three (in this very generic situation), the Assembly A, Part B and Part C because all three are involved "in" the change, but only Assembly A is actually being changed. My "superior" , who is also one of the biz owners view is that only the Assembly A should be included and only note the substitution of Part B with Part C.

By "tagging" Parts B and C as being part of the ECO, they will have that ECO history with this change and future changes if there are any. By not specifically including them into the ECO, any linking to this or other ECOs will not be retained.

So I guess in short the question is what becomes included in the ECO/ECN, the assembly that is being directly being changed or all items, parts and assemblies that are involved in the change?

Just curious what the views are from those that have been involved with ECO. I've fortunately in the past, haven't had to deal with ECOs since most of what I do is R&D, prototyping and one offs.
Thanks,
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Ronen E

Problem Solver
Staff member
Moderator
#2
Re: Parts included/not included in ECN

Hello and welcome to the Cove!

One factor to consider is whether the attribute “assemblies where the item is used” is included in your system. If it is, then obviously parts B & C change under that generic change scenario.

Technically I tend to agree with your point of view, but it’s well established in business that “It’s the boss’s right to be the boss.” Tread lightly, and may the force be with you.

Ronen.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
John C. Abnet VDA 6.3 - Question 7.3 - "blocking of parts" VDA Standards - Germany's Automotive Standards 3
I When is necessary to have RoHS declaration on non-electrical parts? REACH and RoHS Conversations 1
Z Rapid audit template for plastic parts manufacturing process Manufacturing and Related Processes 12
C Scrapping on production floor - Setup parts 21 CFR Part 820 - US FDA Quality System Regulations (QSR) 4
G Bad Parts cause Customer line stop IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 12
G Calibration of "Master Parts" Used as Gauges Calibration Frequency (Interval) 5
P FDA Approved Product Contact Parts ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 6
M Identifying Applied Parts IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 3
M Nonconforming parts accepted by operator with intention Human Factors and Ergonomics in Engineering 31
J Mechanical inspection techniques of close tolerance parts Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 4
J Sister-company providing parts is only ISO 9001 registered IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
A AS9100D 8.1.4 Prevention of Counterfeit Parts AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
C Difficulties getting RoHS/REACH for cheap parts RoHS, REACH, ELV, IMDS and Restricted Substances 1
G Same parts but new customer - What will the auditor ask me? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
G Need to change KPI we called NC parts (maximum 3%.) to FTQ (first time quality) IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
Q Do you classify applied parts? IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 1
R Defib-proof applied parts IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 0
S Earthing of moving parts, designing tips IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 2
C Quantifying risk in choosing the number of parts, operators and replicates in a GR&R Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 4
Ed Panek Corona Virus impact on Supplier Audits and Received Parts ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 4
E IEC 60601-1 - Unearthed Medical Device Metal Parts IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 1
bryan willemot Shipping Aerospace parts without Stress certs Manufacturing and Related Processes 20
H Capability Data for Paint Thickness on Painted Parts Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 10
J SPC - Stamping parts - Small batch size Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 6
D 3 Companies - Medical device parts and substances - Responsibilities EU Medical Device Regulations 4
B Accessible parts per 8.4.2 b) - Touch currents in combination with MOOP or MOPP? IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 3
J Traceability of component parts - Bolts, screws and washers ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 3
R Traceability on Unmarked Parts - AS9100 requirements AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
CPhelan Best metrics for monitoring low volume (<1000) parts per vendors Supply Chain Security Management Systems 1
DuncanGibbons Best practice for identifying "items" of parts for DFMEA analysis AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
L PPM - wrong parts or defective parts? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 18
DuncanGibbons Classification of aerospace parts depending on their risk and criticality etc. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Standards and Requirements 3
K Counterfeit parts prevention - Audit Nonconformance - AS9100 8.2.2 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 25
bryan willemot Looking for a certified test report for aerospace parts AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 0
S Managing specification changes on standard parts purchased through trading companies Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 2
L PMA and Non-PMA parts in same finished goods area? Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Standards and Requirements 1
SKM.Sunil Detachable parts vs Off the Shelf parts EU Medical Device Regulations 8
D Do purchasing controls apply to non-medical parts? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 5
B Using non CE parts in a machine CE Marking (Conformité Européene) / CB Scheme 1
C AS9100D -8.5.1j - Accountability For All Products Tiny Parts AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
I Containment procedure for parts after a power outage. IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1
D How long should we keep the spare parts available for our medical device, after we have stopped the production? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 0
Ron Rompen 2D matrix issue - Parts (machined steel) returned from the customer Design and Development of Products and Processes 0
bryan willemot Looking for a good CoC to put with my certification sheets when we send parts Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 1
K Packaging and Damaged Parts returned from a Service Provider (Anodize) - Who is Responsible? Manufacturing and Related Processes 20
D AS9102 - Assembly FAI for Use As Is or Repaired Parts AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
B F-type applied part - Separation from ALL(?) other parts IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 8
A AQL sampling bags of parts Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 5
S Returned but Customer damaged parts. Is it a NC? Misc. Quality Assurance and Business Systems Related Topics 27
O Identifying KPI for AS9100 8.1.4 - Prevention of Counterfeit Parts - PCB assembly contract manufacturer AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 16

Similar threads

Top Bottom